Dangers in Jacking up RCZ

[Anonymous]

I had the misfortune of needing to book my car in again with the dealer this week, and whilst there the service manager said one of his technicians had noticed, whilst working under my Z, evidence on the sills that someone had tried to lift the car by using a trolly jack.

I explaind that I have in the past done this, but now use lifting points under the struts or rear springs.
I was told very very clearly, that the Z is not intended to be lifted at all with any type of jack, especially a trolly or scissor jack .

The points that look like "jacking points" on the sills are NOT for lifting, and more importantly there are NO jacking points on the sills as they will not take the weight.
Apparantly all dealers use a four point lift under at specific points to raise a Z off the floor, they never "jack up" the car.

So it may be worth thinking about telling your tyre fitters the next time you need a tyre changed, to get the car on their ramp and use the correct four point lift.
Another thing to bear in mind is that if we continue to lift the car at points where we shouldnt, will this have a bearing on warranties if damage is caused. :eusa-think:

For example, if you start to get corrosion under a sill on those "jacking points", due to contact with a jack, would Peugeot have grounds to dismiss a claim. :eusa-think:

Dealers sometimes take photos and files them with the cars paper before they start any work for future reference or issues. I know mine does because he showed me photos of my sills. :?
I will probably still use my trolly jack but no where near the sills.

 

[pete.garratt]

So Ron, just out of interest, do you have part numbers for the two jacks you were supplied with?

 

[tianorth]

I have been in contact with Peugeot HQ (Conventry) about this and they have sent my a PDF file with the jacking areas/procedures.

Can I upload this document (and how) to see what you guy/gals this of this.

I contacted Peugeot HQ to get conformation of how to support the rear of the vehicle with axle stands once the vehicle has been jacked up. This document was the first thing that was sent to me, but I had a number of questions, which still have not been answered as Peugeot HQ technical department are not willing to give an answer and Peugeot HQ UK will not get in touch with PSA or the RCZ design team for them to give an answer.

 

[Abzynthe]

If ypu can save the pdf as a .png or .jpg then you can upload to photobucket

 

[RCZash]

I had the misfortune of needing to book my car in again with the dealer this week, and whilst there the service manager said one of his technicians had noticed, whilst working under my Z, evidence on the sills that someone had tried to lift the car by using a trolly jack.

I explaind that I have in the past done this, but now use lifting points under the struts or rear springs.
I was told very very clearly, that the Z is not intended to be lifted at all with any type of jack, especially a trolly or scissor jack .

The points that look like "jacking points" on the sills are NOT for lifting, and more importantly there are NO jacking points on the sills as they will not take the weight.
Apparantly all dealers use a four point lift under at specific points to raise a Z off the floor, they never "jack up" the car.

So it may be worth thinking about telling your tyre fitters the next time you need a tyre changed, to get the car on their ramp and use the correct four point lift.
Another thing to bear in mind is that if we continue to lift the car at points where we shouldnt, will this have a bearing on warranties if damage is caused. :eusa-think:

For example, if you start to get corrosion under a sill on those "jacking points", due to contact with a jack, would Peugeot have grounds to dismiss a claim. :eusa-think:

Dealers sometimes take photos and files them with the cars paper before they start any work for future reference or issues. I know mine does because he showed me photos of my sills. :?
I will probably still use my trolly jack but no where near the sills.

I am puzzled by this and others comments about jacking up RCZ`s. Page 160 of my handbook shows jack / jacking points. Part no of the jack I purchased from Peugeot is P672599. I have to admit I have not used it yet.

 

[Anonymous]

It seems a bit of a grey area, and has been since the Z appeared on our roads.
The service manager at my dealers, was very concerned that I was jacking up the car.
He clearly pointed out that the Z should not be jacked up via the sills as it has no jacking points.
So I asked what happens with a puncture and he said use the foam as directed in the hand book, and take it to a garage that will raise the car on a four point lift.
This will lift the car at specific points (not on the sills), evenly in one move, spreading the weight.

When I first used a jack on my Z it was a scissor jack that the dealer threw in as part of the deal, alongside a full spare wheel, but I was never confident using as it didnt sit right on what I presumed where the jacking points, in fact I dould hear that point of the sill creak when I lifted the car, so I bought a trolly jack with a small head, but even that didnt feel right when lifting under the sills, so I now lift under the suspension struts or wishbone.

When you think about it, many owners have had damage done to the sills due to the sill not being able to take the weight, so there does seem to be some credibility in the advice not to lift via the sills.

Perhaps, and I'm just guessing here, but maybe it's the earlier models that this affects, and the newer models have strengthend dedicated jacking points for an owner to lift with a "normal jack". :eusa-think:

 

[Anonymous]

I think that your dealer was talking through total ignorance as a lot of dealers do. Of course they are jacking points and yes I accept that these points are where a dealer would place his Four point lift. They still lift the car onn these same jacking points.

If your dealer was correct we wouldn't need the full sized spare wheel kit that Peugeot UK produced as we would be unable to make use of it. Sounds like this guy was trained at the same school as the dealer that said to jack up an RCZ was a no no because it would break the glass roof!

 

[Anonymous]

Heres what I did without even realising.

 

[tianorth]

If ypu can save the pdf as a .png or .jpg then you can upload to photobucket

It an eight page document.
Is it possible to send to anyone interested in a PM as an attachment?

 

[Anonymous]

So Ron, just out of interest, do you have part numbers for the two jacks you were supplied with?

As I have not purchased either of the jacks supplied by Peugeot UK, I do not have part numbers. Peugeot gave me the wheel changing kit FOC and only charged for the wheel and tyre. They then replaced the jack FOC for the one currently unused in the boot.

 

[Anonymous]

I have emailed this page to my dealer, who did register on here. Now this guy is not your normal ignorant dealer and knows what he is talking about, so hopefully he will respond and we can get some reliable information.

 

[Anonymous]

I think that your dealer was talking through total ignorance as a lot of dealers do. Of course they are jacking points and yes I accept that these points are where a dealer would place his Four point lift. They still lift the car onn these same jacking points.

If your dealer was correct we wouldn't need the full sized spare wheel kit that Peugeot UK produced as we would be unable to make use of it. Sounds like this guy was trained at the same school as the dealer that said to jack up an RCZ was a no no because it would break the glass roof!

Sorry Ron but you are wrong,
I was shown the damage to my sill from under the car which was, at the time raised up on a four point lift, they lifted the car on a normal ramp then slid under the four point lift that was place under the lower rear spring mounts and a cross member at the front, they then lowered the normal ramp slightly, leaving the car's 4 wheels suspended on the four point lift, but still having the full ramp a few inches below as a safety measure .
At no time was the car lifted via the sills.
But even if the car is lifted on the sills with a four point lift it would have far far less chance of causing damage than one of us using a jack on one corner as the weight would be evenly spread.
So maybe, its the fact that we are not lifting evenly and not the actuall sill itself.
Either way, my dealer did not use the sills to lift the car.

 

[the big blue]

Hi' all :greetings-wavingblue: (..& please no shouts for this Back Bencher to remain seated ,,let 'Jacanory' commence :clap:

Im due to have two new tyres (MPSS - I now know that OO58RON is with me on that acronym) fitted only at a Peugeot dealer having sourced them myself. I am optimistic that no damage should occur in the region of what we all believe to be the Z's jacking points ,,although those points now appear to purely be "cosmetic only" jacking points so I now read. :?:

This whole "jacking point" issue seems ridiculous and is the sort of thing can turn both Current & Potential owners off OR away from ownership. I would think that I am right in saying that I imagine every other 'mainstream' production car has jacking points and that they are "fit for purpose", they are no doubt factored in to the general chassis design and build and the Z's chassis is derived from is it a 308 ??.

I know that we all believe our Z's are special cars which They Are by design, BUT I do not and will not accept that they are so damn special in design and chassis strength that they are beyond having proper jacking points. Suitably constructed and functional jacking points should be there whether or not a car is supplied with a full size spare wheel, space saver or not!

Im not one to go on & on so Thanks for staying with me! ..If a manufacturer knowing of this jacking point issue fails to address it then I wonder wot else the manufacturer simply cannot be bothered to do properly?? (,,engine temp sensor!)

Making a car look good on the outside is only as important as how they construct what is concealed under the surface as beauty is not everything BUT reputation can be. Our right honourable, distinguished and loyal "mrizzle" is testament to the latter and reluctantly walked away from his beloved Z' in the end AND i'm sure Peugeot do not want to see more people voting with their feet as once gone they rarely come back ....Anyway, then I woke up, THE END ! :sleeping-yellow:

.the big blue (...don't get me wrong, I luv the Z' but forgiveness for inherent then denied issues I will not give to Peugeot)

 

[Anonymous]

I have emailed this page to my dealer, who did register on here. Now this guy is not your normal ignorant dealer and knows what he is talking about, so hopefully he will respond and we can get some reliable information.

To be honest Ron after what happened to me and with what I've seen happen to other Z owners I would'nt trust lifting on the sills again even if Peugeot wrote it in blood.

I didnt even know I had done this damage, and I know it was me because the car hasnt been into a garage for work.
I even took the front wheels off myself when it needed tyres because I didnt want the garage scratching the wheels.
So I cant blame anyone but myself.

 

[Anonymous]

My dealer most certainly does use these points. These points are not unique to the RCZ and I believe that most if not all of the Peugeot range use this type of jacking point. I accept that they do use a four point lift. What percentage of the gross weight would be taken by a jack used to jack up a single corner? Clearly not the same as would be the case if lifting the entire vehicle skywards

 

[Anonymous]

Good point Big Blue,
There have been and still are (3 years on) issues with certain parts on the Z that Peugeot have completely failed to address.
So one more to the list would not be a surprise.

Anyway I only added my point after being advised not to lift on the sills by a dealer, and very competent service manager, who has looked after my Z from day one with total respect, and treated it as if it were his own.

Dont forget, it's not just the damage to the car that could be done, this is a real safety issue aswell.

 

[the big blue]

Hi ..as stated a few posts previous in this thread ,I'm due to have two tyres fitted on Fri and will ask my Peugeot dealer about this matter and relay it back to see if Peugeot themselves have a consistency issue too !

.the big blue (..just proving this Back Bencher can be short and sweet at times!!) :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

My dealer most certainly does use these points. These points are not unique to the RCZ and I believe that most if not all of the Peugeot range use this type of jacking point. I accept that they do use a four point lift. What percentage of the gross weight would be taken by a jack used to jack up a single corner? Clearly not the same as would be the case if lifting the entire vehicle skywards

I would of thought Ron most of the entire weight of the car would be pin pointed to that one very small area when jacking up one corner, hence your dealer using 4 points to raise the car.
So maybe its is all down to an even, distributed 4 point lift, which an owner cannot get when lifting with a single jack at one point alone.
The problem then may not be the sill if the correct procedure is adhered to.
I can remember when I used the supplied scissor jack the sill actually creaking as the car lifted, this is why I purchased a trolly jack, hoping to spread the weight a bit, but it still did not look right so I opted for lifting under the struts.

When I caused the damage I was a bit rushed for time, because I had removed both front wheels myself, and went for the sill point on the passenger side , but I did not know I had crushed the sill untill yesterday when it was shown to me. :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

When you say sill, what exactly do you mean? I assume you are talking about the four pieces of metal that are protruding from the sill and not the plastic "skirt" that covers the majority of the chassis and is cut around what I know to be as "jacking points"

 

[Anonymous]

Thats the problem Ron.
The cars sill is actually hidden behind the plastic skirt.
The protruding bits you mention is just part of the seam where the floor pan meets/joins the sill.

Common sense should tell anyone that this seam will fold on itself if weight is applied, which is exactly what is happening.

This is the grey area, because this seam with the 4 protruding bits look like jacking points.
I would of thought though that if these were jacking points for the Z, Peugeot would of had the sense NOT to have taken the plastic skirt all the way up to these protruding bits, hence a jack could then sit flat and square.

Seeing as there is no cut away in the skirt for a jack, I'm doubting these are actual lifting points.