Dangers in Jacking up RCZ

[Anonymous]

Ron,
It could be that the protruding bits that drop down are simply "drips" for water that run along the seam to drip away.

If you look a little further back beyond this seam will see a floor support that runs full length both sides, perhaps this is where your deal used their 4 point lift ?
Just guessing now m8 :eusa-think:

Take a look at the pic of my damage, you can clearly see where the protruding bit you mention has folded and peeled away from the floor pan.
There is obviously no strength in that seam to lift a car, especially a heavy car like the Z.
I'm pretty sure this is simply a seam where the sill butts up angainst the floor pan, and we have assumed it's the jacking points.
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I wont be convinced to lift my Z on these points again.
Even if you are lucky and not get a fold or crush when lifting, the surface of the jack sitting against this protruding seam can remove the protective underseal coating exposing bare metal, again not good.
I know you have adapted you trolly jack, which will help, but should we need to make adaptions if these are the correct lifting points ?

 

[tianorth]

According to Peugeot UK and the dealership the bits hanging down are the jacking points (and also the stand points for axle stands).

The reason these are the jacking points is because there are several structural sheets of metal coming together at this point e.g. the floor, the inner side skins, the outer side skins etc and therefore these can take the load of that corner of the vehicle.

 

[Anonymous]

This is the email that I have received back from my dealer, he says...............................


HI Ron,

I would suggest that the individuals refer to the supplied handbook with the vehicle. It clearly states jacking points and procedures. If they were not designed for lifting then no reference would be made.

Cheers

Richard Morrison
ASM

 

[Anonymous]

According to Peugeot UK and the dealership the bits hanging down are the jacking points (and also the stand points for axle stands).

The reason these are the jacking points is because there are several structural sheets of metal coming together at this point e.g. the floor, the inner side skins, the outer side skins etc and therefore these can take the load of that corner of the vehicle.

Begs the question though............ Once you have your jack in place and the corner elevated how do you then place the axle stand upon the same point that the jack currently occupies?

 

[Anonymous]

Well then, this takes us all the way back to the beginning.

If these are what Peugeot say ARE the Z's jacking points, (dealer does not agree), why are they crushing, why do we need to adapt jacks to fit..

Sorry but I'm not convinced.

 

[Anonymous]

According to Peugeot UK and the dealership the bits hanging down are the jacking points (and also the stand points for axle stands).

The reason these are the jacking points is because there are several structural sheets of metal coming together at this point e.g. the floor, the inner side skins, the outer side skins etc and therefore these can take the load of that corner of the vehicle.

Begs the question though............ Once you have your jack in place and the corner elevated how do you then place the axle stand upon the same point that the jack currently occupies?

Well noted Inspector Clouseau :lol:

 

[tianorth]

The dealer has said to me that if a trolley jack is lifting the vehicle and is is not free to move, as the weight of the car is lifted the trolley jack is supposed to move towards the car, but if the jack is slow to move or doesn't move it will try to drag the car towards the jack (and with the tyres its got on the ground) the weakest point is the jacking point (as its strength is in the vertical not the horizontal movement).

 

[Anonymous]

Can you give me the contact at Peugeot so that I can send them my pics.
If as you say Peugeot are recommending these points to lift the car then they can pay for the damage to my car.

 

[Anonymous]

Well then, this takes us all the way back to the beginning.

If these are what Peugeot say ARE the Z's jacking points, (dealer does not agree), why are they crushing, why do we need to adapt jacks to fit..

Sorry but I'm not convinced.

This has been the point of the entire discussion regarding the failure of the jacking points. They do not withstand the weight and are bending. Mine have done so on countless occasions. Peugeot UK would not have paid for my car to have been repaired had I not been using their supplied jack on the correct jacking point at the time that the damage was caused. These are the jacking points and unfortunately it is my believe that by the use of my jacking pad it alleviate a lot of the risk involved. I won't say all of it, but so far I have had no reports of damaged caused jacking up the car whilst using this tool. Your dealer does seem at odds with mine and I know which one I have more faith in.

 

[Anonymous]

The dealer has said to me that if a trolley jack is lifting the vehicle and is is not free to move, as the weight of the car is lifted the trolley jack is supposed to move towards the car, but if the jack is slow to move or doesn't move it will try to drag the car towards the jack (and with the tyres its got on the ground) the weakest point is the jacking point (as its strength is in the vertical not the horizontal movement).

Yep. I can see that, seems perfectly logical to me. I just don't understand why I have never experienced such issues on any previous car that I have changed the wheels on.

All I ever did was get the scissor jack out of the boot and jack the damn car up. Hey presto, no worries, no dramas and no second thoughts. Now it's like a bleeding military operation, check, double check, check again just for good measure, apply pressure onto to jack handle to lift car, check, double check and then check again. etc etc :crazy:

 

[RCZ1]

This thread has totally left me incredulous! Every car has jacking points and in the RCZs case are clearly shown in the handbook.

For those that have not already, I would suggest that you obtain one of the jacking pucks from Ron. This device spreads the load when using it on a trolley jack and actually prevents the plastic sill from coming into contact with the lifting part of the jack. Without it, it's clear to see, that the jacking points would crumple as the lifting mechanism would hit the plastic sill therefore causing the damage experienced by so many Z owners.

What the dealer was probably trying to say was that Peugeot have given the Z such sh1te jacking points that no-one should do it, to avoid instances that are all too familiar. Come on, it's probably cost Peugeot thousands and thousands of pounds repairing crumpled jacking points and sills so now it's got to the point where they are maybe telling the dealers to tell their customers NOT to jack. To save money !


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[Anonymous]

So then, weak, crumbling jacking points.
I have good reasons for a claim.

Does anyone have contact details for Peugeot.

 

[tianorth]

Unfortunately it will be the owners responsibility to ensure any garage that causes the damage has it repaired at the garages cost. Which means checking the jacking points after every visit to a garage.

 

[tianorth]

So then, weak, crumbling jacking points.
I have good reasons for a claim.

Does anyone have contact details for Peugeot.

The person I was in contact with was Emma Tombs in customer services.

Basically if you ring customer services they will raised a reference number you have to give them all the details and then it get passed on to someone else who should get back in touch with you.

Peugeot customer services - 0845 200 1234
Peugeot UK HQ - 02476 884000

 

[the big blue]

Hi all' :greetings-wavingblue: ...again we are back to what has long been suspected in that Peugeot have a known construction & design weakness/fault and don't seem to care about it which is not what any Z' or any car owner should have to simply accept as being part of the ownership pleasure.

I hope jactac get's reimbursed especially as the Peugeot dealership network should have an operating procedure from Peugeot HQ in respect of such a fundamental fault.

In my post earlier in chapter 6 of this thread I said,

"I know that we all believe our Z's are special cars which They Are by design, BUT I do not and will not accept that they are so damn special in design and chassis strength that they are beyond having proper jacking points." !

If I was fortunate enough to have the funds to buy a new RCZ or even an RCZ-R ,,I'd have to think twice on the basis that Peugeot have had the opportunity to make suitable alteration to the "jacking points" (as shown in the handbook) on say from the face lift model where they happily spent funds on the cosmetic appearance whilst not caring to spend funds on what lies beneath, thus allowing our now infamous Z' jacking points to remain not even as "fit for purpose" as those on cars costing three and four times less in price.

It's matters such as this that brings into question the Manufacturers true commitment into entering into the niche market that they have dipped their (cosmetic) toe into.

Designing a concept car prototype and receiving accolade is the easy part, taking it into credible full production is far harder!

.the big blue (..pls do not think i'm a Z' hater as I Am Not, its incompetent persons in grey suits who sip coffee at HQ is what I despise) :sleeping-yellow: :clap:

 

[Anonymous]

.the big blue (..pls do not think i'm a Z' hater as I Am Not, its incompetent persons in grey suits who sip coffee at HQ is what I despise) :sleeping-yellow: :clap:

For me it's the clueless nitwits at dealerships that make my blood boil. They are supposed to be the ones we turn to for accurate information on the vehicles that we buy from them and so often they open their gobs and shite comes out. It's not good enough :thumbdown:

 

[tianorth]

Good call

 

[Anonymous]

Many thanks fellow motorists

The jack that I was supplied with is of the scissor type thus I feel caused all of the damage to the jacking points. Am still awaiting a final decision from my dealer who appears to be somewhat lacking in making up their minds. My vehicle in question is 1yr 6 months old (warranty of three years). Am very grateful for all correspondance which I have recieved through this web site. The fight goes on don't intend to lyedown and give up yet.Again much appriciated :beer: Have now written a strongly worded letter to Customer Relations Peugeot out lining my fustration as the blame game which now has started to develope. Will keep all interested parties posted as to the out come of any. Once again many thanks Moderator and Kudos.

Kind regards PSYCHO

 

[tianorth]

According to Peugeot UK and the dealership the bits hanging down are the jacking points (and also the stand points for axle stands).

The reason these are the jacking points is because there are several structural sheets of metal coming together at this point e.g. the floor, the inner side skins, the outer side skins etc and therefore these can take the load of that corner of the vehicle.

Begs the question though............ Once you have your jack in place and the corner elevated how do you then place the axle stand upon the same point that the jack currently occupies?

Well noted Inspector Clouseau :lol:

This is one of the questions I put to Peugeot UK HQ after they arranged for my car to be lifted up on a 4 post ramp so I could take photos of the underneath and send back to them for the technical department to mark up for suitable positions for the axle stands to be structurally safe and sound.

This is the document that Peugeot UK HQ sent me (as mentioned in 3rd post on page 6). Part 1 of 2

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry if I'm sounding a bit blank but the pics make it even more confusing for me, one seems to contradict the other . :?
Page 1 of 8 says "do not position the jack away from lifting points"
Yet
Page 2 of 8 says "do not position stands under jacking points"

Then on page 2 Of 8 it shows 2 pics with big cross's on them , one of a trolly jack and one of stands saying.
"do not postions stands under the jacking points"

3 of 8 shows a stand in position ?
page 3 of 8 then goes on to say "do not lift the vehicle from the sides by taking weight on body sills", with a nice big cross across a pic (2.1 vehicles with body sill trim)
Then below the same pic it says 2.2 vehicles without body sill trim

page 4 of 8 then shows a car being lifted from the side :lol: .

page 5 of finish's of with a clear pic of a scissor jack, "specific to the vehicle", being used on the dubious jacking points.

Maybe the pics and instructions are out of sequence, but running through those pics I cannot work out what exactly Peugeot are recommending. :eusa-think: