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Hope you get it sorted out Dom1102, would be good if you took some pics of the rectified work! might save others getting into the same bother you have been thrown into!
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Thanks all for the mostly helpful comments. And Vallenorte, I saw your thread this morning, good point with using the mesh. Unfortunately despite me requesting twice that they kept the old parts and placed them in the boot of the car, the mesh pieces were binned! Also from your comments in your thread, I can see why in your case they thought the system would be better welded to your exhaust as that is the recognised way to properly assemble an exhaust. Thing is I suppose these quads aren't specifically an exhaust part, more like a separate solid mounted trim piece that the exhaust kind of "blows the gasses through". Agree that if welded to the exhaust, the vibrations through the car would most likely be bad and may cause damage. Point being there just isn't an ideal way to fit them, they need to be attached to be considered more than just an afterthought or "fake" but without being securely attached in terms of causing vibrations and potentially even invalidating insurance.
I think I am going to keep my car well away from the dealer and have a crack at it myself at the weekend, try and make the best of a bad experience. I will remove and cut down the surplus wadded up gauze (inside the left tail pipe) and try to trim the valance into a better curved shape. Also noticed the instructions state that some of the gauze should be wrapped around the cross-pipe section presumably to protect the back of the bumper and reversing light.... Whilst removing and correctly(!) refitting the loose reversing light cover earlier today, I noticed this hasn't been done at all!
The point is although mine seems to be a particularly bad job, there is no getting away from the fact that the actual instructions supplied with the kit recommend holding the very temporary looking gauze in place by placing plastic cable ties round a hot exhaust pipe (!) as a permanent solution! Not to mention hacking a section out of the valance. Would BMW or even Ford ever do such a thing?
If this part is now being factory fitted at Magna Steyr, I would be very interested to know if the same method is used to fit them. I just can't believe that a new car would roll out the factory with such a poorly executed part.
Guess I will have to wait until the warranty runs out then get a proper stainless system made!
I think I am going to keep my car well away from the dealer and have a crack at it myself at the weekend, try and make the best of a bad experience. I will remove and cut down the surplus wadded up gauze (inside the left tail pipe) and try to trim the valance into a better curved shape. Also noticed the instructions state that some of the gauze should be wrapped around the cross-pipe section presumably to protect the back of the bumper and reversing light.... Whilst removing and correctly(!) refitting the loose reversing light cover earlier today, I noticed this hasn't been done at all!
The point is although mine seems to be a particularly bad job, there is no getting away from the fact that the actual instructions supplied with the kit recommend holding the very temporary looking gauze in place by placing plastic cable ties round a hot exhaust pipe (!) as a permanent solution! Not to mention hacking a section out of the valance. Would BMW or even Ford ever do such a thing?
If this part is now being factory fitted at Magna Steyr, I would be very interested to know if the same method is used to fit them. I just can't believe that a new car would roll out the factory with such a poorly executed part.
Guess I will have to wait until the warranty runs out then get a proper stainless system made!
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The problem with welding the whole thing is that the actual exhaust system hangs so it has some movement (as all exhaust systems do I imagine). The tips are bolted on so if you actually weld them the whole exhaust system would become rigid and as Peugeot in UK advised me, would result in likely fracturing or fatiguing of the exhaust system. That is the reason for the gauze material...to act as a padding between the hanging exhaust pipes and the fixed tips. The actual tips are not really part of the exhaust, merely decoration as you stated in your previous post. They should have fitted the gauze round the crossover pipe so as to protect the lighting cables behind the moulding but I have read here that Peugeot have stated that in their tests temps never rose above 44c so should be no problem. I would however prefer to have it if it is included! Again use jubilee clips (slide them over before joining the pipes and bolting!) to hold down.
IMO the car looks much more balanced that when it just had the one side but I can also see the point of view of people who think it is a lot of money for just looks. Luckily the money wasn't an issue for me!
Hope you get it looking as good as you want it to!
Good luck with the plastic moulding but it looks as though it is "rescuable".
IMO the car looks much more balanced that when it just had the one side but I can also see the point of view of people who think it is a lot of money for just looks. Luckily the money wasn't an issue for me!
Hope you get it looking as good as you want it to!
Good luck with the plastic moulding but it looks as though it is "rescuable".
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I have also seen this, but luckily I did not have it done. I did actually order this feline kit and I asked to see it before it was fitted really to see what I was getting for my money and that is when the penny dropped!!!!
I have seen this kit fitted on other cars and it is exactly the same as seen on these pictures.
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Peugeot should be totally ashamed of even having their name associated with this kit, so much so I think they should be taken to court to make them pay to have the car restored to the condition before the kit was ordered, plus a full refund of the cost of the kit.!!!!! I begin to wonder whether their servicing will be equally BODGED. Confidence in Peugeot now in marks out of ten, -20!!!
I have seen this kit fitted on other cars and it is exactly the same as seen on these pictures.
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Peugeot should be totally ashamed of even having their name associated with this kit, so much so I think they should be taken to court to make them pay to have the car restored to the condition before the kit was ordered, plus a full refund of the cost of the kit.!!!!! I begin to wonder whether their servicing will be equally BODGED. Confidence in Peugeot now in marks out of ten, -20!!!
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sharky said:
Fair enough but I imagine there are far more happy owners than unhappy ones. I count myself as a happy one along with bee and fachprofi on these forums alone. I agree that the kit when you look at it isnt up to much and they really should make a better template for the cutting (it really is just a crap piece of photocopied paper!) but when it is fitted well it looks great...better with smoke coming out both sides!
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with me i was very unhappy with mine at the start because of it making contact to the car causing vibration noises when moving off and at low revs.
I got it fixed for free and the system works a treat now and mine hasnt got the mesh inside like your and mine does seem correctly done which I am glad of
I got it fixed for free and the system works a treat now and mine hasnt got the mesh inside like your and mine does seem correctly done which I am glad of
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Sounds like the gauze wasn't installed correctly the first time round and there was metal on metal! Glad to hear it was fixed and are now pleased with it!
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Dom1102,
I am sorry you are not happy with your quad conversion, it does look like the technician could have taken more care when fitting it, but I must say that there are many people that have expressed how pleased they are with the conversion (and quite a few from this forum), but I feel that I must explain some of the reasoning behind the design of the conversion to help answer some of the points you have raised.
The brief we were given was to offer a solution that would give customers a twin outlet design and that would direct smoke through both outlets. This had to be done without affecting the original exhaust system.
The conversion is just that. It is technically classed as a trim and the reason for this is to avoid any homologation and insurance issues that would arise from changing any part of the original exhaust system. The conversion does not affect the warranty of the vehicle and will not change the insurance rating as it is a trim and not a performance enhancing accessory. However, to be classed as a trim it needed to be seen as a separate section, not joined directly to the original exhaust. This is the main reason that we opted for the solution that mimics the original trims, where they are effectively mounted to the vehicles body, and not to the exhaust. Equally this required us to allow the original exhaust movement to avoid any issues with noise and vibration etc.
This is why the heat wrap is used between the original pipes and the bells of the conversion. The heat wrap is purely to avoid rattles between the trim and the original exhaust, and not to give a gas tight fit (the original trims are not gas tight). The original outlet was fixed to the bumper and the gauze originally used performed the same function, but it was decided not to use this, as it would mean the technician removing this from the original pipes (it is spot welded in place) and refitting it to the exhaust.
I note your comments regarding the plastic cable ties, we did consider metal clips, but were again worried about these rattling against the trim. With the heat wrap in place, the temperature is such that it falls well within the operating temperature of the plastic cable ties, and offers a solution without any chance of rattles.
One point that does concern me is that you state that the centre section of the conversion has not been fitted with the heat wrap, and while I am happy that the temperature seen in that section will not be high enough to do any damage, we did include a section of the wrap as a additional security measure, and that should have been fitted by the Dealer.
As for the cutting of the rear diffuser, this was the only option we had due to the fact that there are no twin outlet plastics in existence, and the tooling costs for having one made against the volume of parts required would not have made it possible.
I hope that having explained some of the points above, you can now understand why the conversion is the way it is.
I am very sorry that you feel so unhappy regarding the conversion, and would be happy to talk to you directly regarding the fitment. Please PM me with your contact details and I will be in touch.
Regards,
Richard.
I am sorry you are not happy with your quad conversion, it does look like the technician could have taken more care when fitting it, but I must say that there are many people that have expressed how pleased they are with the conversion (and quite a few from this forum), but I feel that I must explain some of the reasoning behind the design of the conversion to help answer some of the points you have raised.
The brief we were given was to offer a solution that would give customers a twin outlet design and that would direct smoke through both outlets. This had to be done without affecting the original exhaust system.
The conversion is just that. It is technically classed as a trim and the reason for this is to avoid any homologation and insurance issues that would arise from changing any part of the original exhaust system. The conversion does not affect the warranty of the vehicle and will not change the insurance rating as it is a trim and not a performance enhancing accessory. However, to be classed as a trim it needed to be seen as a separate section, not joined directly to the original exhaust. This is the main reason that we opted for the solution that mimics the original trims, where they are effectively mounted to the vehicles body, and not to the exhaust. Equally this required us to allow the original exhaust movement to avoid any issues with noise and vibration etc.
This is why the heat wrap is used between the original pipes and the bells of the conversion. The heat wrap is purely to avoid rattles between the trim and the original exhaust, and not to give a gas tight fit (the original trims are not gas tight). The original outlet was fixed to the bumper and the gauze originally used performed the same function, but it was decided not to use this, as it would mean the technician removing this from the original pipes (it is spot welded in place) and refitting it to the exhaust.
I note your comments regarding the plastic cable ties, we did consider metal clips, but were again worried about these rattling against the trim. With the heat wrap in place, the temperature is such that it falls well within the operating temperature of the plastic cable ties, and offers a solution without any chance of rattles.
One point that does concern me is that you state that the centre section of the conversion has not been fitted with the heat wrap, and while I am happy that the temperature seen in that section will not be high enough to do any damage, we did include a section of the wrap as a additional security measure, and that should have been fitted by the Dealer.
As for the cutting of the rear diffuser, this was the only option we had due to the fact that there are no twin outlet plastics in existence, and the tooling costs for having one made against the volume of parts required would not have made it possible.
I hope that having explained some of the points above, you can now understand why the conversion is the way it is.
I am very sorry that you feel so unhappy regarding the conversion, and would be happy to talk to you directly regarding the fitment. Please PM me with your contact details and I will be in touch.
Regards,
Richard.
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very good explanation of the designing of the quad exaust conversion, and pleased that there is no insurance issues.
must say that i for one are extremely happy with my conversion and with perrys who fitted it.
must say that i for one are extremely happy with my conversion and with perrys who fitted it.
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me too,even though i fitted them myself.and took me most of the day to fit!.worst bit for me was the cutting of the black plastic trim.that had to be spot on! :thumbup:
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This post has caused me concern as I have ordered the Feline quad pipes. I strongly suspect that the dealer supplying my new car will not have done one before and as I have no confidence in them to start with I am worried!!! Should I cancel the quads from my order and have them fitted elsewhere?
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"Ron",
I would raise your concerns NOW with the dealer, explain that you have seen some poor feline upgrades but in particular explain what it is about the upgrade that bothers you.
Personaly i think the Feline kit is great and i'm still considering having it done, the problem, as you know is in the fitting and not the upgrade itself.
A nice walk around Milton Keynes while Perrys do the fitting is an option. :eusa-think:
Go for it, but have a chat with your dealers service manager first.
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if you would rather another company do the fitting try a "Longlife" exhaust specialist, if theres one near you, they do a very good job with upgrades ect, and you can purchase the parts elsewhere and they will just do the fitting.
I would raise your concerns NOW with the dealer, explain that you have seen some poor feline upgrades but in particular explain what it is about the upgrade that bothers you.
Personaly i think the Feline kit is great and i'm still considering having it done, the problem, as you know is in the fitting and not the upgrade itself.
A nice walk around Milton Keynes while Perrys do the fitting is an option. :eusa-think:
Go for it, but have a chat with your dealers service manager first.
Ps,
if you would rather another company do the fitting try a "Longlife" exhaust specialist, if theres one near you, they do a very good job with upgrades ect, and you can purchase the parts elsewhere and they will just do the fitting.
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i can recomend perrys at nelson, they transported us to nearby shopping precinct and collected us.while fitting
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Sorry Ron, bit I'm a bit lost, did you have the car from Perrys ?
I think i did read some previous threads regarding your car, was it something to do with the wrong lights ?
I think i did read some previous threads regarding your car, was it something to do with the wrong lights ?
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jactac sent you a PM so as not to hijack this thread :thumbup:jactac said:
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just to be clear 0058RON HASNT brought any RCZ's from Perrys MK and he has now confirmed this.
Thanks for clearing up some potential confusion :thumbup:
Thanks for clearing up some potential confusion :thumbup:
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I have not intended to give the impression that I have ever dealt with Perrys. I suspect the confusion is due to my editing jactac quote. I intended to say how cheeky would it be to ask Perrys to fit a Quad after buying the car elsewhere and that I was only buying it elsewhere because of the deal offered in settlement of an earlier error by them.RCZGT200 said:
I apologise unreservedly if I have given the impression that I had dealt with Perrys as that was not my intention
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Thanks for confirming that , the way the quote was edited could have led to some confusion.
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No worries, it's probably my Welsh accent confusing you well spoken English gentlemen. :lol: