Newbie looking for an R

[Claret63]

I can't believe a dealer has put up a car so badly prepared. The car looks a mess. The paint looks flat, the roof rails are the worst I've seen, and the tyres and wheels look a mess.

You can't accuse the dealer of trying to polish a turd.

I don't understand why they haven't cleaned the car up and gave it a good polish before putting it up for sale. It looks so tired.

The surprising thing is the dealer appears to know what they are selling. They know some of the key details about the R.

We all think that R is an enthusiasts car, but the vast majority of Rs that turn up for sale are not in good condition. Owners are not taking care of them.

The first cars that sell are the cheapest ones.

Totally agree with your point Kerr about the enthusiast bit, maybe the majority are buying, thrashing them for a while then simply selling them on when MOT time is coming, that car would have defiantly been a peanut trade in, maybe that's why the dealer hasn't bothered with the presentation.

 

[Kerr]

Normally as summer approaches more sporty cars come up for sale. It looks like the cheap Rs have stopped anyone selling their car.

The prices have been lowered and Autotrader's price guide is lowering as well.

 

[Claret63]

If you have have a good R why should you take any notice of AT? or any other platform to be honest Kerr.

A good R now is becoming very hard to find, a bad R will always be a bad liability and a money pit.

At present the grey R on AT is a good buy, it’s a honest car, I hope the seller holds out.

 

[apple3337]

Here's one just come up in Oz. Asking about 19,000 GPB.

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2014-peugeot-rcz-r-manual-my14/SSE-AD-17129820/?Cr=0

 

[Kerr]

If you have have a good R why should you take any notice of AT? or any other platform to be honest Kerr.

A good R now is becoming very hard to find, a bad R will always be a bad liability and a money pit.

At present the grey R on AT is a good buy, it’s a honest car, I hope the seller holds out.

We've always looked and talked about the market. We can't ignore it when it's not going our way.

I don't think the grey car is that great. It's not, and never has been, a £14,000 car. The warranty is a great selling tool, but the car has been on sale since March and the warranty is getting shorter.

AutoTrader now say it is a £8560 car and that is more £2160 than part exchange or quick sale websites.

 

[Claret63]

We've always looked and talked about the market. We can't ignore it when it's not going our way.

I don't think the grey car is that great. It's not, and never has been, a £14,000 car. The warranty is a great selling tool, but the car has been on sale since March and the warranty is getting shorter.

AutoTrader now say it is a £8560 car and that is more £2160 than part exchange or quick sale websites.

So should we be thinking when an R that is currently under warranty will be worth a lot less when the warranty is over?

As I have said previously I do respect your opinion, but if we are to run with the market our R/s are as you quote AT are they worth next to nothing?

As a comparison Audi TTs are being advertised well above market value and selling, does this mean then nobody wants an RCZ anymore or is it simply the badge?

 

[Kerr]

So should we be thinking when an R that is currently under warranty will be worth a lot less when the warranty is over?

As I have said previously I do respect your opinion, but if we are to run with the market our R/s are as you quote AT are they worth next to nothing?

As a comparison Audi TTs are being advertised well above market value and selling, does this mean then nobody wants an RCZ anymore or is it simply the badge?

I wouldn't say a lot less, but the warranty is desirable and does add value.

I don't pay any attention to the Audi TT market. Other cars I'm looking at are all coming down in value and not selling very well.

Covid did send car prices out of control, but they are now correcting. The problem is a lot of people have bought their cars at high market highs and are in a difficult position.

 

[Claret63]

Well a couple of new R s have come to market, as usual prices all over the place.

 

[Kerr]

The red car at £9995 was sold recently. I suspect the brakes are knackered. The MOT flags up they are worn in April. Also they are fluctuating which suggests the pistons are sticking. I'll guess that it was too expensive to fix and the car was rejected and thrown back through the auction house for another dealer to pick up.


The black car at £11,495. Look at picture 14. The rust has taken hold.

The private seller asking £16,500 is never getting anywhere near that amount I'm afraid. It doesn't look a particularly good car.

The budget tyres, black wheels and gloss wrapped roof rails are all off putting.

I don't think the condition and maintenance is that of a 29,000 mile car.

That car also car rust breaking through the wheel arches. The paint at the door edge looks like it has gone too. It's not uncommon, but not at this mileage.

Requiring a new clutch and rear brake discs within 29,000 miles is very premature. Sometimes helix clutches are a bit too snappy for normal road use.

The interior looks too worn for the mileage. I have never seen a steering wheel look so worn on an R. Even the underside of the steering wheel has worn through. That's not normal.

 

[Charlie1875]

Agree with all the comments guys,

also red one at £9995 that’s been a write off, that trader is trying his luck! who in their right mind would pay the same as a non cat car

 

[Kerr]

Agree with all the comments guys,

also red one at £9995 that’s been a write off, that trader is trying his luck! who in their right mind would pay the same as a non cat car

I would never touch a car that has been written off, but it doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people.

There used to be huge price differences between good cars and write offs, but the gap is now far too small.

When you look through the repaired previously written off cars on AutoTrader a large proportion of them are for sale by traders pretending it is a private sale.

It is an industry that needs to be clamped down on. A lot of them are either not repaired very well, or rebuilt using stolen parts.

 

[Claret63]

The red car at £9995 was sold recently. I suspect the brakes are knackered. The MOT flags up they are worn in April. Also they are fluctuating which suggests the pistons are sticking. I'll guess that it was too expensive to fix and the car was rejected and thrown back through the auction house for another dealer to pick up.


The black car at £11,495. Look at picture 14. The rust has taken hold.

The private seller asking £16,500 is never getting anywhere near that amount I'm afraid. It doesn't look a particularly good car.

The budget tyres, black wheels and gloss wrapped roof rails are all off putting.

I don't think the condition and maintenance is that of a 29,000 mile car.

That car also car rust breaking through the wheel arches. The paint at the door edge looks like it has gone too. It's not uncommon, but not at this mileage.

Requiring a new clutch and rear brake discs within 29,000 miles is very premature. Sometimes helix clutches are a bit too snappy for normal road use.

The interior looks too worn for the mileage. I have never seen a steering wheel look so worn on an R. Even the underside of the steering wheel has worn through. That's not normal.

Yes you are right about the 16.5 k car Kerr, my comments weren’t received very well on here regarding that car, I was just being honest. The wear on the steering wheel is strange not seen that before, also didn’t notice the door.

I also had checked the red one, as you say fluctuating brakes a definite sign of seized pistons.

 

[Kerr]

Yes you are right about the 16.5 k car Kerr, my comments weren’t received very well on here regarding that car, I was just being honest. The wear on the steering wheel is strange not seen that before, also didn’t notice the door.

I also had checked the red one, as you say fluctuating brakes a definite sign of seized pistons.

There are too many signs of excessive wear on that car that doesn't align with the low mileage.

The steering wheel on the R is hard wearing. That one is the worst steering wheel I've seen on any R.

More cars are appearing with rust now on the arches and the leading edge of the doors. The car should have come with some mud flaps to stop driving stones into the exposed metal work.

I've never understood owners that run an R on budget tyres. You'll never experience and enjoy the benefit of those brakes, the handing, or the LSD without top quality tyres.

Aside the best example I've seen that sold last month it does look like that there is an increasing number of cars that are deteriorating.

 

[Charlie1875]

Re the 16.5k red example, that steering wheel looks dirty possibly with foundation crap that the ladies like to cover themselves in,

a 5 minute clean with a toothbrush would make it look a lot better

 

[Claret63]

Re the 16.5k red example, that steering wheel looks dirty possibly with foundation crap that the ladies like to cover themselves in,

a 5 minute clean with a toothbrush would make it look a lot better

Interesting thought, maybe you should message the seller with that thought, the car is for sale on here.

 

[Charlie1875]

Interesting thought, maybe you should message the seller with that thought, the car is for sale on here.

I was just making a point in case someone was put off by a previous comment about a badly worn steering wheel, it’s my opinion that it’s ingrained dirt not worn leather.

I wish the seller good luck with his/her sale

 

[apple3337]

FYI the one I linked above has sold!! Didn't take long. Good news for me with the prices holding around that level.

 

[Claret63]

FYI the one I linked above has sold!! Didn't take long. Good news for me with the prices holding around that level.

Pity they are not holding in the UK.

 

[apple3337]

Like I've said before. We don't have salty roads, so used cars tend to be in great condition with even minimal looking after. As long as a car is not left outside in the sun, they preserve very well. That one I posted looked mint!! From what I've read from the UK guys here, some used cars tend to have rust. Is that right??

 

[Claret63]

Like I've said before. We don't have salty roads, so used cars tend to be in great condition with even minimal looking after. As long as a car is not left outside in the sun, they preserve very well. That one I posted looked mint!! From what I've read from the UK guys here, some used cars tend to have rust. Is that right??

Yes they do rust here, but I think the general condition of some of the cars is attributed to the owners who generally don't care about their car.
Nothing wrong with that, some want to just buy and drive and are not in it for the long term, also I think small numbers has more of a part to play at your end with regard to strong prices.