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+125.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
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RCZ-R
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Re: +70.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
Not every turbo failure has the same symptoms. Smoke comes only when the ball bearings and seals are gone.
Yes, oil consumption slowly went up but never to critical levels.
My guess is the compressor wheel is done. We will see.
ONLY AEK said:
Not every turbo failure has the same symptoms. Smoke comes only when the ball bearings and seals are gone.
Yes, oil consumption slowly went up but never to critical levels.
My guess is the compressor wheel is done. We will see.
RCZ-R
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Re: +70.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
UPDATE:
TC has been replaced with a new unit. 5 grid penalty :lol:
Car is working fine now.
As I mentioned before a "usual" daily or weekend commuter wouldn't even experience those issues I had. It only occurred in high speed situations.
Going by my driving profile and translating it to the common usage profile of most RCZ cars, I'd say the turbo is pretty bullet proof on the R. Take mine 80.000 miles of really, really hard pushing and deduct about 30% of pace from it yet still being crazy fast and demanding to the car (and yourself) and you end with a lifetime of way over 100k.
UPDATE:
TC has been replaced with a new unit. 5 grid penalty :lol:
Car is working fine now.
As I mentioned before a "usual" daily or weekend commuter wouldn't even experience those issues I had. It only occurred in high speed situations.
Going by my driving profile and translating it to the common usage profile of most RCZ cars, I'd say the turbo is pretty bullet proof on the R. Take mine 80.000 miles of really, really hard pushing and deduct about 30% of pace from it yet still being crazy fast and demanding to the car (and yourself) and you end with a lifetime of way over 100k.
RCZ-R
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Re: +70.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
UPDATE:
Car is way over 80k miles now.
Unfortunately another issue occurred over the recent weeks. The EGR and the oil cooler went berserk and started to inject oil into the engine's coolant. This resulted in some ECU faults and a messy coolant.
EGR and the oil cooler had to be replaced and the whole system flushed with new coolant. It is a bi... to clean the system after it run on a mixture of engine oil and coolant.
Other than that all is fine. She runs strong.
UPDATE:
Car is way over 80k miles now.
Unfortunately another issue occurred over the recent weeks. The EGR and the oil cooler went berserk and started to inject oil into the engine's coolant. This resulted in some ECU faults and a messy coolant.
EGR and the oil cooler had to be replaced and the whole system flushed with new coolant. It is a bi... to clean the system after it run on a mixture of engine oil and coolant.
Other than that all is fine. She runs strong.
RCZ-R
Well-Known Member
Re: +70.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
UPDATE:
Those recent updates are about issues only. I mean, this is what forums are mostly about, right? Unfortunately.
Another issue occurred with my red lady. The timing chain is done. It needs a replacement. It is a bit before the planned replacement which is at 110.000 miles. My car has now 90.000 miles done.
How did we find out? First of all, chain noises when cold started. Then inconsistent power output, like the variable timing is not following the accelerator input. And finally the chain tensioner started to puke oil all over the housing. Not much but it is wetting himself.
So a replacement is on its way.
But as I recently only do updates on issues I must say at 99% of the time I spent with her is all good. I still love this car and enjoy driving it. This feeling does not wear off since the very first ride.
I can recommend this car to any enthusiast. If you love driving, you gonna love her.
By the way there is an update on the first page here about the real weight of my R. Check it out! :greetings-wavingblue:
UPDATE:
Those recent updates are about issues only. I mean, this is what forums are mostly about, right? Unfortunately.
Another issue occurred with my red lady. The timing chain is done. It needs a replacement. It is a bit before the planned replacement which is at 110.000 miles. My car has now 90.000 miles done.
How did we find out? First of all, chain noises when cold started. Then inconsistent power output, like the variable timing is not following the accelerator input. And finally the chain tensioner started to puke oil all over the housing. Not much but it is wetting himself.
So a replacement is on its way.
But as I recently only do updates on issues I must say at 99% of the time I spent with her is all good. I still love this car and enjoy driving it. This feeling does not wear off since the very first ride.
I can recommend this car to any enthusiast. If you love driving, you gonna love her.
By the way there is an update on the first page here about the real weight of my R. Check it out! :greetings-wavingblue:
RCZ-R
Well-Known Member
Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
UPDATE:
The second time the catalyst in my R failed. The first time it was during warranty period. Back than it was due to worn plugs which produced some misfires. I insisted on replacing them before the annual service but Peugeot denied. So at the end they had to replace the catalyst.
Now it failed again. After about 60.000 miles. It is due to be replaced in next days.
My time with the R is going towards the end. Maybe another quarter of a year and we will go separate ways. It is not that I don't like her anymore. I still love this car and driving it. But the running costs at this mileage in conjunction with the way how I drive it, make it a costly endeavor.
I still want to give her another blast through the Alps in early 2018 before we separate.
UPDATE:
The second time the catalyst in my R failed. The first time it was during warranty period. Back than it was due to worn plugs which produced some misfires. I insisted on replacing them before the annual service but Peugeot denied. So at the end they had to replace the catalyst.
Now it failed again. After about 60.000 miles. It is due to be replaced in next days.
My time with the R is going towards the end. Maybe another quarter of a year and we will go separate ways. It is not that I don't like her anymore. I still love this car and driving it. But the running costs at this mileage in conjunction with the way how I drive it, make it a costly endeavor.
I still want to give her another blast through the Alps in early 2018 before we separate.
renegade79
Active Member
Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
[quote="I still want to give her another blast through the Alps in early 2018 before we separate.[/quote]
you'll surely make the tonne before then :eusa-whistle:
[quote="I still want to give her another blast through the Alps in early 2018 before we separate.[/quote]
you'll surely make the tonne before then :eusa-whistle:
ianGT156
Member
Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
To RCZ-R,
I really enjoy your posts here on the forum. I love driving fast but I tend to drive on the same roads on my daily commute. I drive on a British "A" road, the A68 in County Durham, on a 20½ mile drive to work. The maximum speed limit is 60 but in the middle and end of my journey, the limit varies between 50/40/30 mph and a 70mph limit for about ⅓ mile.
I would love to drive my car for hundreds of miles per week. I am currently averaging about 11,000 miles per annum.
Well enough about that. I don't want to be patronising but I think your English is superb. I work with very nice people but many of them do not have anything like your vocabulary.
OK. Mine is a 156bhp which I have had remapped to 182bhp and torque to 300Nm.
I accept but cannot understand how an R can keep it's tyres on the road under hard acceleration.
When I want to drive my car to it's limit, I mainly use 2nd and 3rd gears. Second gear takes me to 69mph before hitting the rev limiter and that is more than 10% over the speed limit. I haven't noticed what 3rd gear takes me to but I would guess about 90+mph. I have only exceeded 100mph once, or so, since I acquired my car about four months ago. I have to be sensible to not lose my license.
But but but ...
There is a particular part of my journey which has an uphill slope of about 5%, which I reach straight after a roundabout. When I am at about 4000 rpm in second gear, if the road is even slightly wet, my tyres spin, even sometimes in third gear. How could a car with 270bhp cope any better with these conditions? My summer tyres are Contis and now I have winter tyres, Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D.
So my question is, how does the 270bhp "R" keep it's tyres glued to the road under full power when even my modest 182bhp can't?
:eusa-think:
To RCZ-R,
I really enjoy your posts here on the forum. I love driving fast but I tend to drive on the same roads on my daily commute. I drive on a British "A" road, the A68 in County Durham, on a 20½ mile drive to work. The maximum speed limit is 60 but in the middle and end of my journey, the limit varies between 50/40/30 mph and a 70mph limit for about ⅓ mile.
I would love to drive my car for hundreds of miles per week. I am currently averaging about 11,000 miles per annum.
Well enough about that. I don't want to be patronising but I think your English is superb. I work with very nice people but many of them do not have anything like your vocabulary.
OK. Mine is a 156bhp which I have had remapped to 182bhp and torque to 300Nm.
I accept but cannot understand how an R can keep it's tyres on the road under hard acceleration.
When I want to drive my car to it's limit, I mainly use 2nd and 3rd gears. Second gear takes me to 69mph before hitting the rev limiter and that is more than 10% over the speed limit. I haven't noticed what 3rd gear takes me to but I would guess about 90+mph. I have only exceeded 100mph once, or so, since I acquired my car about four months ago. I have to be sensible to not lose my license.
But but but ...
There is a particular part of my journey which has an uphill slope of about 5%, which I reach straight after a roundabout. When I am at about 4000 rpm in second gear, if the road is even slightly wet, my tyres spin, even sometimes in third gear. How could a car with 270bhp cope any better with these conditions? My summer tyres are Contis and now I have winter tyres, Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D.
So my question is, how does the 270bhp "R" keep it's tyres glued to the road under full power when even my modest 182bhp can't?
:eusa-think:
Plecodoras
Active Member
Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
Ian I know you posted this to RCZ-R, but I have R too and my thinking is it is all down to the Torsen locking front differential ( LSD ).
When I was in Germany and Austrian Alps, I put my R through it's paces and hit just 2mph before the limiter kicks in. This is extreme driving, but not once did it A) lose grip or B) feel unsafe, even under very hard braking, a factor which in some way allows such speeds because you have those huge 380mm discs and Alcons to stop you or slow you down in an emergency. Though many will condemn my driving speeds / style on public roads, I never felt at risk of an accident and only drove extreme when I had a commanding view ahead. This said, I would say this is the nearest I have had to experiencing track day driving.
On the grip bit, if I set of at max velocity the dif really bounces around at the front but it remains planted to the ground. Grip never seems an issue when cornering fast at higher speeds, so the combination of the rear spoiler, the big wheels and plenty of rubber certainly do there job.
Sorry RCZ-R for the interruption - over to you....
:beer:
Ian I know you posted this to RCZ-R, but I have R too and my thinking is it is all down to the Torsen locking front differential ( LSD ).
When I was in Germany and Austrian Alps, I put my R through it's paces and hit just 2mph before the limiter kicks in. This is extreme driving, but not once did it A) lose grip or B) feel unsafe, even under very hard braking, a factor which in some way allows such speeds because you have those huge 380mm discs and Alcons to stop you or slow you down in an emergency. Though many will condemn my driving speeds / style on public roads, I never felt at risk of an accident and only drove extreme when I had a commanding view ahead. This said, I would say this is the nearest I have had to experiencing track day driving.
On the grip bit, if I set of at max velocity the dif really bounces around at the front but it remains planted to the ground. Grip never seems an issue when cornering fast at higher speeds, so the combination of the rear spoiler, the big wheels and plenty of rubber certainly do there job.
Sorry RCZ-R for the interruption - over to you....
:beer:
RCZ-R
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Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
@ianGT156
Thank you very much for your kind words :beer: . I read a lot English press and books and I do work with people from all around the world. Speaking English is often the only option to communicate. Although I wish I had more conversations with people from UK as the daily vocabulary of my US colleagues is very limited. You hardly learn something new. And they never correct me, even if I ask them to do so.
Back to your wheel spinning topic
Changes applied to the front and rear suspension of the R transformed the car in many ways. I once had a 156GT for over one week at my disposal. The difference between those two is remarkable. Not only power-wise. The whole way how the R puts the power on the ground, how it copes with the torque, it just shows how well the car was engineered by Peugeot's Sport division.
Rubber is the key, sure. But also is the LSD and the geometry of the front suspension on the R.
Sure, you can do ridiculous wheel spins on the R too. 2nd gear? No problem, rubber burns endlessly. 3rd, too. But this happens in wet only. And even in wet you can modulate greatly how the power is transferred to the wheels.
In dry you'll have hard times to spin the wheels on corner exit. Or in a straight line. More, if you put proper rubber on the R, it just shines in those aspects.
Before I run the Michelin PSS tyres. They were great. Now I roll on the newest Michelin PS4s and that is another step up. You catch yourself doing "crazy" things with the car and laughing your a.. afterwards because it seemed so easy to accomplish.
Now I roll on winter tyres and immediately you can feel the disadvantages in traction and precision. But now is that time of the year when you have no other choice but to roll on winter tyres. I need the car to be mobile, no matter what weather conditions are outside.
As Plecodoras said, it is all down to the traction setup and the LSD. And the R feels immensely safe at high speeds. Maybe you caught one of my posts here where I reported about the 155mph speed limiter removal on my car. Afterwards the car made it to almost 170mph and still felt planted and safe. The huge brakes are only contributing to that good feeling.
Honestly, there are very, very few cars in this price range which offer that level of safety mixed with driving pleasures.
The majority of even more expensive cars cannot compete with the R. This is what my bum is telling me after numerous test drives.
@ianGT156
Thank you very much for your kind words :beer: . I read a lot English press and books and I do work with people from all around the world. Speaking English is often the only option to communicate. Although I wish I had more conversations with people from UK as the daily vocabulary of my US colleagues is very limited. You hardly learn something new. And they never correct me, even if I ask them to do so.
Back to your wheel spinning topic
Changes applied to the front and rear suspension of the R transformed the car in many ways. I once had a 156GT for over one week at my disposal. The difference between those two is remarkable. Not only power-wise. The whole way how the R puts the power on the ground, how it copes with the torque, it just shows how well the car was engineered by Peugeot's Sport division.
Rubber is the key, sure. But also is the LSD and the geometry of the front suspension on the R.
Sure, you can do ridiculous wheel spins on the R too. 2nd gear? No problem, rubber burns endlessly. 3rd, too. But this happens in wet only. And even in wet you can modulate greatly how the power is transferred to the wheels.
In dry you'll have hard times to spin the wheels on corner exit. Or in a straight line. More, if you put proper rubber on the R, it just shines in those aspects.
Before I run the Michelin PSS tyres. They were great. Now I roll on the newest Michelin PS4s and that is another step up. You catch yourself doing "crazy" things with the car and laughing your a.. afterwards because it seemed so easy to accomplish.
Now I roll on winter tyres and immediately you can feel the disadvantages in traction and precision. But now is that time of the year when you have no other choice but to roll on winter tyres. I need the car to be mobile, no matter what weather conditions are outside.
As Plecodoras said, it is all down to the traction setup and the LSD. And the R feels immensely safe at high speeds. Maybe you caught one of my posts here where I reported about the 155mph speed limiter removal on my car. Afterwards the car made it to almost 170mph and still felt planted and safe. The huge brakes are only contributing to that good feeling.
Honestly, there are very, very few cars in this price range which offer that level of safety mixed with driving pleasures.
The majority of even more expensive cars cannot compete with the R. This is what my bum is telling me after numerous test drives.
Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
I think fuel is biggest cost then tyres, Alcon discs+pads
Chain+tensioner 130 eur
Catalyst 200 eur
Mahle oil filter 10 eur, air filter 6 eur
Total ineo ecs 3eur/L
So parts are really cheap and if you live in Germany/England where wages are good I think mantaience shouldnt be problem
I look how I spent my money, what I can buy/do myself, with difference I can spend on other stuff like snowboarding, windsurfing, mountainbiking etc.
I have speak to guy who has Mini with same engine 210.000 km changed 3 chains and other suff but he didnt complain, he said parts are cheap, but if consumption is 15-30 L then this is a big cost, but this engine has low consumption
just my 2 c
I think fuel is biggest cost then tyres, Alcon discs+pads
Chain+tensioner 130 eur
Catalyst 200 eur
Mahle oil filter 10 eur, air filter 6 eur
Total ineo ecs 3eur/L
So parts are really cheap and if you live in Germany/England where wages are good I think mantaience shouldnt be problem
I look how I spent my money, what I can buy/do myself, with difference I can spend on other stuff like snowboarding, windsurfing, mountainbiking etc.
I have speak to guy who has Mini with same engine 210.000 km changed 3 chains and other suff but he didnt complain, he said parts are cheap, but if consumption is 15-30 L then this is a big cost, but this engine has low consumption
just my 2 c
RCZ-R
Well-Known Member
Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
The chain never needs to be replaced on the R engine, unless you drive it like a nut. Talking about me. Then you will need to change the chain. I'd say once in a lifetime of an R.
The running costs on the R are very high when you push the car. Honestly, now I wouldn't mind to run a Ferrari. Something of a 355, 360 or 430. I'm used to pay for front brakes about 2300 EUR. The tyres are also expensive as the R rolls on this stupid 235/40/19 size instead of the more common 235/35/19 size.
Fuel consumption is OK on this engine. I wouldn't call it efficient. But this relates to all down sized turbo'ed engines of the new era. Compared to a low revving V8 with similar power it consumes way too much fuel at high loads. But I'd say this is a very specific Germany-only problem as only here you can push a car flat out for a longer period.
As soon as I roll abroad the consumption drops into high 30ish MPGs with the occasional sprints.
The chain never needs to be replaced on the R engine, unless you drive it like a nut. Talking about me. Then you will need to change the chain. I'd say once in a lifetime of an R.
The running costs on the R are very high when you push the car. Honestly, now I wouldn't mind to run a Ferrari. Something of a 355, 360 or 430. I'm used to pay for front brakes about 2300 EUR. The tyres are also expensive as the R rolls on this stupid 235/40/19 size instead of the more common 235/35/19 size.
Fuel consumption is OK on this engine. I wouldn't call it efficient. But this relates to all down sized turbo'ed engines of the new era. Compared to a low revving V8 with similar power it consumes way too much fuel at high loads. But I'd say this is a very specific Germany-only problem as only here you can push a car flat out for a longer period.
As soon as I roll abroad the consumption drops into high 30ish MPGs with the occasional sprints.
RCZ-R
Well-Known Member
Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
UDPATE:
Surprise, surprise. I might be on to something which could have been the cause of all the faults on my R from previous months. Like the catalyst, the turbo, the cracked exhaust manifold, etc. You have the full list in this thread.
Honestly, I never doubted the reliability of the R. I know, other versions of the ill-reputed prince engine have (or had) their issues. But the R engine is different.
So, in about a week I'll have an appointment to have a deeper look into my R. This will be conducted by a pro specialist working on those cars & engines since years. When we are done with that I will post here some conclusions. I wonder what we will find out... :greetings-wavingblue:
UDPATE:
Surprise, surprise. I might be on to something which could have been the cause of all the faults on my R from previous months. Like the catalyst, the turbo, the cracked exhaust manifold, etc. You have the full list in this thread.
Honestly, I never doubted the reliability of the R. I know, other versions of the ill-reputed prince engine have (or had) their issues. But the R engine is different.
So, in about a week I'll have an appointment to have a deeper look into my R. This will be conducted by a pro specialist working on those cars & engines since years. When we are done with that I will post here some conclusions. I wonder what we will find out... :greetings-wavingblue:
Re: +80.000 miles with the RCZ R (my story)
Engine mount?
Engine mount?