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Obviously touched a nerve there. It's not prejudice, it's a fact. I'm sure a few of them drive like grandma going to church on a Sunday but unfortunately the majority are always up your arse in the motorway flashing their lights...

I'm a Peugeot driver. Why would it touch a nerve? I just think it's a bit sad people have these unfounded opinions. I like BMWs, but coming up against spiteful people is an issue.


It's common practice to follow far too closely on the motorway. It happens everywhere. Even when they paint big massive chevrons on the road and signposts to stay two apart everyone ignores them..



For all the years I've been driving I honestly can't remember a single car up my arse on the motorway flashing their lights. If that's a common occurrence for you then you're doing something wrong.
 

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Unfounded?! You're suggesting only I have witnessed the driving behaviour of BMW/AUDI drivers as a whole?

What about indicators then? Do all the saintly BMW drivers use those religiously around your way? 🙄

I suppose you never hear them half a mile down the road either with their stupid popping and banging exhausts?

And never once would they cut you up at the last minute with no warning.

Must be lovely to live where you do where this never ever happens...! 🤣
 
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Obviously touched a nerve there. It's not prejudice, it's a fact. I'm sure a few of them drive like grandma going to church on a Sunday but unfortunately the majority are always up your arse in the motorway flashing their lights...
Unfounded?! You're suggesting only I have witnessed the driving behaviour of BMW/AUDI drivers as a whole?

What about indicators then? Do all the saintly BMW drivers use those religiously around your way? 🙄

I suppose you never hear them half a mile down the road either with their stupid popping and banging exhausts?

And never once would they cut you up with no warning at the last minute with no warning.

Must be lovely to live where you do where this never ever happens...! 🤣


You only see BMW and Audi drivers cutting you up? You only see Audi and BMW drivers not using their indicators?

The majority of BMW driver come up you arse and flash their light at you?

You don't see any other brand of car poorly driven? Do you really believe what you're coming away with?



Honestly try owning a nice BMW and people like you stand out like a sore thumb. They just don't realise that they are the problem. They dive in with their aggressive driving and attitudes, then blame the other car. It's exactly what you see in a large percentage of all those dashcam videos.

What's your opinion on cyclist?
 
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Honestly try owning a nice BMW and people like you stand out like a sore thumb. They just don't realise that they are the problem.

Typical response from an ex-BMW owner. Of course, it's everyone else on the road who is the problem, not you. :rolleyes:
 

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Typical response from an ex-BMW owner. Of course, it's everyone else on the road who is the problem, not you. :rolleyes:


Do you make any sense to yourself? I'm embarrassed for you reading this.

You've still to justify the majority of BMW come up your arse and flash their lights. Too desperate to sound as of you have a point you'll make up any any old nonsense.

You were the guy in the other thread moaning about insurance companies whist playing dumb to the fact you haven't insured your car properly and not willing to disclose modifications. You also wrongly thought everyone else does it too. Another example where you are the problem, but don't see it.

Anyway, I don't have time to argue with immature kids. Take care.
 

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I agree with the first part. A lot of other countries just don't have a care for driving or cars like the UK does. They don't care if their car is bumped and bashed or 40 shades of silver.

Official stats show the number of cars and the mileage covered in the UK has gone up. The amount of crashes has gone down.

Driving standards have always been terrible here too. Crashes were just dismissed as lesser incidents when I was young. The punishment for causing a bad accident was nowhere near what it is today. People are now held accountable and RTAs are now RTCs. It's still not a deterrent.

Neither is the punishment for mobile phone usage. I can't drive across the city without catching lots of drivers with their eyes and a hand in their lap. The problem is rife.

The aggression on the road is far worse than it has ever been. Manners have gotten worse, but it does depend what car I'm driving. Look how many people openly attack BMW and Audi drivers and mean it. I've owned a couple of nice BMWs and the aggression levels were quite severe at times. If I spent time detailing to make it look really shiny the aggression got even worse. It's not the BMW driver that is the issue, it's them.

I had a new A45 AMG a few years ago. It became frustrating and tiresome the amount of cars that ended hard up my backside wanting to race.

The RCR R doesn't get negative attention luckily.
I had a RS4 yes a Audi 😬an no one bothered trying to get the better of it only M3s an the like but I find the RCZ R is like a red rag to a bull it’s like it’s a Peugeot an I’m going to have that piece of shit in my Vauxhall corsa of what ever there driving
 

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On Saturday we went to the supermarket on the way to the garden centre. The car park was very full but I spotted a space some distance away. When I got there, there was an Audi A5 an older scruffy looking one, parked at such an angle in its space, it effectively took up 3 spaces as both the ones either side were then too small. I commented that I hoped someone with an older scruffier car squeezed in next to him.
When we got to the garden centre it was even busier and guess what was taking up two spaces by parking on the line, an Audi TT.
Now when I think back, I can’t remember any time I’ve seen a Peugeot taking up 2 spaces.
 

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Do you make any sense to yourself? I'm embarrassed for you reading this.

You've still to justify the majority of BMW come up your arse and flash their lights. Too desperate to sound as of you have a point you'll make up any any old nonsense.

You were the guy in the other thread moaning about insurance companies whist playing dumb to the fact you haven't insured your car properly and not willing to disclose modifications. You also wrongly thought everyone else does it too. Another example where you are the problem, but don't see it.

Anyway, I don't have time to argue with immature kids. Take care.
Calm down, Grandad. You'll spill your Horlicks! 😯

BTW I don't need to justify anything. You just carry on believing your own hype and you'll be fine and dandy... 😘
 

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Calm down, Grandad. You'll spill your Horlicks! 😯

BTW I don't need to justify anything. You just carry on believing your own hype and you'll be fine and dandy... 😘


I have no reason to be upset. I'm equally bemused and amused.

Believing my own hype? 😂

It's no wonder you find yourself having so many issues with the attitude you have.

Let's spare the forum with this tripe.
 

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I had a RS4 yes a Audi 😬an no one bothered trying to get the better of it only M3s an the like but I find the RCZ R is like a red rag to a bull it’s like it’s a Peugeot an I’m going to have that piece of shit in my Vauxhall corsa of what ever there driving

I've really never had an issue with the RCZ R. Hardly anyone knows what it is. It has received some of the common stereotypical comments, but they are as meaningful to me as the BMW and Audi ones.

Most of the Vauxhall boy racer scene has died a death. It used to be huge. The meets used to massive. They were the worst though with far too many idiots. Some really great project cars though.

The forums used to really good and very busy years ago. Once PCP finance started getting common everyone upgraded to the car brands they hated for years. 😂
 

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That's an interesting point about PCP; just thinking whether it sounded the death knell for a lot of car forums and the modding scene given that it appears 98% or thereabouts of all new cars are purchased on PCP deals most young driver's don't seem to buy their first banger it's straight in with a new car on something like a 'just add petrol deal'. Would follow and stats show younger people (renting) brand new more powerful OE spec cars under strict warranty and service plans etc that negates big tuning and modding. Anything goes wrong it's back to the Main Dealer, not onto a website forum to see how to fix it
 

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Unfounded?! You're suggesting only I have witnessed the driving behaviour of BMW/AUDI drivers as a whole?

What about indicators then? Do all the saintly BMW drivers use those religiously around your way? 🙄

I suppose you never hear them half a mile down the road either with their stupid popping and banging exhausts?

And never once would they cut you up at the last minute with no warning.

Must be lovely to live where you do where this never ever happens...! 🤣
Drivers not bothering using indicators has become a pandemic in its own right if I had a winning lottery ticket for every car that turns left or right & that includes learners under supervision ! without bothering to switch their indicator on I would be living on the next island Caribbean to Branson it beggars belief how basic driving standards have gone down the pan in this country
 

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That's an interesting point about PCP; just thinking whether it sounded the death knell for a lot of car forums and the modding scene given that it appears 98% or thereabouts of all new cars are purchased on PCP deals most young driver's don't seem to buy their first banger it's straight in with a new car on something like a 'just add petrol deal'. Would follow and stats show younger people (renting) brand new more powerful OE spec cars under strict warranty and service plans etc that negates big tuning and modding. Anything goes wrong it's back to the Main Dealer, not onto a website forum to see how to fix it

It had a massive effect. The tuning scene of the 90s and 00s was huge. A large proportion of it was very normal cars and most of them quite a few years old. The forums I used at that time were really busy. Log in after a few hours and there was pages of new posts. There was always loads of great project threads running. The off topic part of the forums were busy and fun, but there was loads of serious car stuff. Then it died a really quick death.

Hardly any young people had premium brand cars back then. They were disliked on the car forums back then too. The stereotypes were all the same then. As soon as the brands they hated were available on an affordable monthly payment they all jumped ship. As per always whatever car someone owns at that time it's the best ever. 😂 I have never understood the rivalry people build up between car brands where they have to hate the rivals.

Many forums now are nothing like they were for fun cars before. Far too many threads on the forums are dedicated to matters of finance. So many people trying to work out how they can afford to PCP expensive cars. Then all too often there was threads about financial issues. People who had never bought cars of this value couldn't understand the losses involved. They couldn't grasp why they found themselves in deep negative equity and couldn't afford to change car, or were sinking deeper into debt rolling finance on to the next deal.It really got tough reading about finance all the time and seeing the difficulties people were getting themselves in.

Young guys were moaning about not being able to afford to get on the housing market, but getting a brand new car every 2 or 3 years. I voiced my opinion that young people living with their parents shouldn't be allowed huge car finance. That went down like a lead balloon.

There is still some modifying going on. They are trying to discretely hide the tuning they have done and don't care they are breaching their finance deals. There was a few guys pulled up by the finance companies and asked to pay for the car in full.They still expected their warranty to be honoured and still expected to hand the car back. A lot of people lacked care of responsibility.

I just don't get the debt people put themselves in and the amount of risks they are willing to take with that debt. It certainly doesn't make the forums sound as interesting as they used to be.
 

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You forgot to mention the Insurance companies hiking the premiums to eyewatering quotes on anything with a "fast car" badge stuck on the grill when I got my quotes for the Z I almost laughed at the price so I emailed them & told them to get rid of the bells & whistles they tried to bolt onto the premium & saved myself over £250 ! & I'm sort of getting on in years :)
 

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You forgot to mention the Insurance companies hiking the premiums to eyewatering quotes on anything with a "fast car" badge stuck on the grill when I got my quotes for the Z I almost laughed at the price so I emailed them & told them to get rid of the bells & whistles they tried to bolt onto the premium & saved myself over £250 ! & I'm sort of getting on in years :)

My R is the most expensive car I've insured for years. I'm not quite sure why? Do a lot of RCZs get stolen and crashed?

Surprisingly the Merc A45 AMG was the cheapest. It was a surprise that the R cost a good percentage up on other cars worth a lot more. The A45 was brand new.

I've not had an issue with modifications either. Some of my previous cars have been quite heavily modified and sometimes the specialists offer really good prices.
 

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My other car is a new (2020) Range Rover Evoque. It has a Panoramic roof which has an electric blind. Apparently they cost £3000 to replace, as they come as a cassette.
I was advised on the Evoque forum to make sure my insurance covered this, as apparently quite a few don’t.
I contacted Admiral as we have a multi car policy with them (£186 for the RCZ) and they made such a fuss over the pano roof. It was like being interrogated by the Gestapo. As it was a factory option, I assumed it wouldn’t be classed as a modification, but no, according to Admiral, if it wasn’t standard with the car, you have to declare it as an interior modification, so I was glad I called otherwise it wouldn’t have been covered.
After all that, they said it didn’t affect the premium 😱
 

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The R is a very high grouping 42 of the 50 groups!!!
 

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That's an interesting point about PCP; just thinking whether it sounded the death knell for a lot of car forums and the modding scene given that it appears 98% or thereabouts of all new cars are purchased on PCP deals most young driver's don't seem to buy their first banger it's straight in with a new car on something like a 'just add petrol deal'. Would follow and stats show younger people (renting) brand new more powerful OE spec cars under strict warranty and service plans etc that negates big tuning and modding. Anything goes wrong it's back to the Main Dealer, not onto a website forum to see how to fix it
But don’t all the cars on pcp end up on the second hand market and isn’t that good thing ?
 

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But don’t all the cars on pcp end up on the second hand market and isn’t that good thing ?

I don't think enough people take good enough care of their cars on a PCP. They know they'll never own the car and don't think long-term.

With hardly anyone owning their car they all end up back in the auction and dealer network. They've got more control over prices and have pushed them up.
 

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Yep the Dealer Network's are controlling the market certainly for cars up to 5 years of age linked into PCP as 9/10 customers never ever make the balloon payment.

I am a bit jaded as I just don't see the point in PCP deals and renting a new car for 3 odd years paying literally £000s and having absolutely nothing to show for it or maybe even negative equity depending on who the PCP was financed through, save for swanning around in a new car that belies the fact it is 'unaffordable' especially given the disparity for most between wages and new car prices; each to their own but makes no financial sense........ Chris Harris did a nice piece Chris Harris on... car finance.

Or most people see a car as a 'white good' (or phallus waving) a generic box that is essential, when it breaks they get another (no repairs), no fun to drive or own and it matches or try's to better the other boxes in their area and social circle
 
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