RCZ Crash

[Kerr]

It starts at around 9mins 40 seconds.

Anyone on here?

 

[Pedro]

Side impact damage so should be some good stuff to go at in the breakers just a shame to see it get tanked but sadly that is the horrors of driving on UK roads its like I said to a friend of ours who is a senior police officer when was the last time he saw a police patrol on the motorways ?

 

[DKZ5745]

They are too busy hiding on bends where it’s perfectly safe to drive fast, with their speed guns or camera vans. Easy policing. Yet when I came back to a hire car with the drivers window smashed & head unit ripped out, I was told they had no officers spare so basically just get on with it.

 

[Kerr]

The police always get it neck no matter what they do. Don't police the roads they are slated, police the roads and they should be chasing real criminals.

They've got all these dashcammers desperate to grass up people now. What's alarming about watching all the dashcam footage is far too often the dashcammer is the guilty party and doesn't even realise that they are at fault.

Too many of them are desperate to get footage and they rush into incidents that anyone else would back out of. Switch the brake for the horn and most of the incidents wouldn't happen.

The RCZ in the clip above was going far too fast. It's a 20mph zone and I doubt they were far off 50mph. There is speed humps and a pedestrian crossing. It was also soaking wet. The driver coming out will get most of the blame, but they wouldn't have anticipated the RCZ coming around so fast.

 

[2retro]

I've seen that clip before ages ago. In fact I think I posted it on here at the time. The car is nicked and driven by a thieving scumbag with no licence.

 

[RCZIain]

I've seen that clip before ages ago. In fact I think I posted it on here at the time. The car is nicked and driven by a thieving scumbag with no licence.

That would probably explain why they were at warp factor 9, on a soaking wet day through a residential area.
Though going on the standard of driving in most places that could just be someone popping to the shops.

 

[Marmite]

Treat every one as a idiot and u might just about get though that’s unless they drive at u like there at the dodgems

 

[Pedro]

The police always get it neck no matter what they do. Don't police the roads they are slated, police the roads and they should be chasing real criminals.

They've got all these dashcammers desperate to grass up people now. What's alarming about watching all the dashcam footage is far too often the dashcammer is the guilty party and doesn't even realise that they are at fault.

Too many of them are desperate to get footage and they rush into incidents that anyone else would back out of. Switch the brake for the horn and most of the incidents wouldn't happen.

The RCZ in the clip above was going far too fast. It's a 20mph zone and I doubt they were far off 50mph. There is speed humps and a pedestrian crossing. It was also soaking wet. The driver coming out will get most of the blame, but they wouldn't have anticipated the RCZ coming around so fast.

I think you will find that after the Govt cuts to police budgeting & the loss of 5000 frontline officers maybe that is partly why you have community support officers & less mobile patrols policing the streets & motorways I remember coming off a motorway near Burnham on sea & the missus said look at them 2 took a glance & 2 private employees in VOSA patrol car were parked in a slipway/gateway out of sight of traffic & taking a afternoon nap !

 

[DKZ5745]

Sounds like the council workers round here

I have no problem with Police doing their job & policing the roads just like any other section of society, if someone is driving like an idiot through a residential area they deserve everything they get, but going on my personal experience, there have been several times in my life that I have had call to contact the police, and I have found the response on each occasion to be lacking, and most of those occasions were before the large cuts in police numbers.
And yet....
Both my Brother (who wasn’t the best driver in the world) and my Sister (who was probably one of the most careful and considerate drivers I’ve known) were prosecuted for speeding. Their offence, 34 mph in a 30 mph zone. This was on separate occasions in different areas. My Sister got a fine and points, my Brother took a ridiculously expensive speed awareness course, as he used his car daily for work, so didn’t want to get the points.
Again, inconsistencies here, as my Sister wasn’t even given the option of the course. (She wouldn’t have taken it anyway).
Sadly, they are both no longer with us, but I know it troubled my Sister for the rest of her life. She always said she had never broken any laws except that one and it really upset her.
I have friends who are in the police, and I make my opinion known to them about traffic cops. I have had several bad dealings with them through my driving career, and indeed within the police, the traffic section are not exactly held in high esteem.

 

[Pedro]

Sounds like the council workers round here

I have no problem with Police doing their job & policing the roads just like any other section of society, if someone is driving like an idiot through a residential area they deserve everything they get, but going on my personal experience, there have been several times in my life that I have had call to contact the police, and I have found the response on each occasion to be lacking, and most of those occasions were before the large cuts in police numbers.
And yet....
Both my Brother (who wasn’t the best driver in the world) and my Sister (who was probably one of the most careful and considerate drivers I’ve known) were prosecuted for speeding. Their offence, 34 mph in a 30 mph zone. This was on separate occasions in different areas. My Sister got a fine and points, my Brother took a ridiculously expensive speed awareness course, as he used his car daily for work, so didn’t want to get the points.
Again, inconsistencies here, as my Sister wasn’t even given the option of the course. (She wouldn’t have taken it anyway).
Sadly, they are both no longer with us, but I know it troubled my Sister for the rest of her life. She always said she had never broken any laws except that one and it really upset her.
I have friends who are in the police, and I make my opinion known to them about traffic cops. I have had several bad dealings with them through my driving career, and indeed within the police, the traffic section are not exactly held in high esteem.

Yes its sad it affects someone who has led a blameless life but as senior officers will tell you the road traffic laws including speeding are there for a reason ( as well as a stealth tax) & in some police forces its instant conviction as they don't have the options of speed awareness courses which are just another privately run for profit scam
Regarding the regulations for speed restrictions Local Authorities can apparently due to legislation enforce lower speeds for urban areas & approaching villages & local schools as per the 20 MPH enforcements popping up all over the country so if your in a unfamiliar area its best to keep an eye open for the speed signs & not get any points to bump up the insurance companies profits

 

[Kerr]

Was it the police who prosecuted them for 34mph? That's extremely rare.

Rules are a bit different all across the country. Many regions don't offer speed awareness courses. They aren't an option up here on Scotland. Let's be honest people only choose to go on them to avoid the points and fine. The cost of the course is cheaper than the basic penalty charge. I think it's unfair that some regions have speed awareness courses and others don't. It's lucky for the ones that do have them, and would rather go, but I wouldn't.

I'd rather take the three points and the £100 fine than give up my day to go to one of these. Three points really is nothing and barely makes any difference. My time is more important. Even then, everyone I know that has been on one has said the day has been completely ruined by know-it-alls. They'll argue and contest everything said by the tutor. People say the course is interesting, but is just ruined by the people on it. They aren't going to learn anything from the day.

The speed camera vans aren't operated by the police. They have to justify their existence, and cover their costs, by handing out fines. Everyone seems to think the police are mugging the car driver to make money. That's just simply not true. I've on many occasion been seen by police cars going above the speed limit by a margin. They aren't concerned if I'm driving safely. I don't get this severe paranoia that if you're driving a bit quickly you're going to get shafted. It just doesn't happen. I've had fast cars for all my time driving and I've been caught speeding twice. One of them was a speed camera van for 81mph in a 70mph. I bet the police wouldn't have blinked.

For all the bad driving I see on the roads I'm amazed that more people don't lose their licence. The scary thing is that the people doing the bad driving don't see themselves as bad drivers or see the issue with their driving. Hardly anyone can accept their driving standards to be questioned.

Look at all these dashcam videos. A very large percentage of the time the dashcam driver played a part in the incident. Quite often they are at fault, but can't see it. They've reviewed the video and still uploaded it. They get criticised in the comments and still argue back.

I shudder when I read forums and the comments pages about speeding, just how many people openly admit they struggle to observe their speed when driving. If simple tasks like that are too much then they shouldn't have a licence.

The average speed camera cases are even better. Far too many people don't understand how they work. They think they've been caught at well above the speed limit, recorded over a large distance, for momentarily going above the limit.

On one side of the coin I'm for the increasing of certain speed limits. On the other hand I see the standard of driving on the road. I see very poorly maintained and modified cars and then change my opinion.

 

[chrismac]

What's alarming about watching all the dashcam footage is far too often the dashcammer is the guilty party and doesn't even realise that they are at fault.

You are not wrong. Also I notice the number of incidents where the complainant would not have so much to complain about if they anticipated problems.

 

[Pedro]

Was it the police who prosecuted them for 34mph? That's extremely rare.

Rules are a bit different all across the country. Many regions don't offer speed awareness courses. They aren't an option up here on Scotland. Let's be honest people only choose to go on them to avoid the points and fine. The cost of the course is cheaper than the basic penalty charge. I think it's unfair that some regions have speed awareness courses and others don't. It's lucky for the ones that do have them, and would rather go, but I wouldn't.

I'd rather take the three points and the £100 fine than give up my day to go to one of these. Three points really is nothing and barely makes any difference. My time is more important. Even then, everyone I know that has been on one has said the day has been completely ruined by know-it-alls. They'll argue and contest everything said by the tutor. People say the course is interesting, but is just ruined by the people on it. They aren't going to learn anything from the day.

The speed camera vans aren't operated by the police. They have to justify their existence, and cover their costs, by handing out fines. Everyone seems to think the police are mugging the car driver to make money. That's just simply not true. I've on many occasion been seen by police cars going above the speed limit by a margin. They aren't concerned if I'm driving safely. I don't get this severe paranoia that if you're driving a bit quickly you're going to get shafted. It just doesn't happen. I've had fast cars for all my time driving and I've been caught speeding twice. One of them was a speed camera van for 81mph in a 70mph. I bet the police wouldn't have blinked.

For all the bad driving I see on the roads I'm amazed that more people don't lose their licence. The scary thing is that the people doing the bad driving don't see themselves as bad drivers or see the issue with their driving. Hardly anyone can accept their driving standards to be questioned.

Look at all these dashcam videos. A very large percentage of the time the dashcam driver played a part in the incident. Quite often they are at fault, but can't see it. They've reviewed the video and still uploaded it. They get criticised in the comments and still argue back.

I shudder when I read forums and the comments pages about speeding, just how many people openly admit they struggle to observe their speed when driving. If simple tasks like that are too much then they shouldn't have a licence.

The average speed camera cases are even better. Far too many people don't understand how they work. They think they've been caught at well above the speed limit, recorded over a large distance, for momentarily going above the limit.

On one side of the coin I'm for the increasing of certain speed limits. On the other hand I see the standard of driving on the road. I see very poorly maintained and modified cars and then change my opinion.

I was told by a sergeant that they only allow a max of 10% roughly 4/5 Miles over any more & then you get done but even that is still unofficial its at the discretion of the officer who stops you & your right about the quality of the driving on the roads today & If I see another driving school instructor block the pathway to the junction I have to use whilst teaching a learner I think I'm going to explode !

 

[Kerr]

You are not wrong. Also I notice the number of incidents where the complainant would not have so much to complain about if they anticipated problems.

Quite often they do anticipate the problems. Because they are looking to get good footage on their dashcam they accelerate into danger when anyone else would, or should, back out.

I don't think people would drive as aggressively if they didn't have the dashcam. They create a lot of issues.

 

[Marmite]

A lot off the problem is driving standards in Europe are much worse than here in the uk but once the free movement of people started and they started flooding the roads the accident rate went up an I’m sad to say it’s not going to improve , I drive a 44 ton artic for a living an iv noticed over the years how much worse it’s got , speed doesn’t kill bad driver do

 

[DKZ5745]

I drove a Fire Engine for 25 years. I had to pass my EFAD course ( Emergency Fire Appliance Driving ). This involved driving both Fire Engines and normal road cars at high speed on public roads. There was also skid pan training at RAF Finningley (now Robin Hood Airport Doncaster) which we did in conjunction with police drivers. This was done at first in cars with the police, but then we went on to have to do it in Fire Engines. It culminated in taking the LGV test. All training was done in manual vehicles, including 40ft Trucks, but all Fire Appliances are actually Automatics. (Except for a few specialist vehicles). I was trained to a higher standard than advanced driving courses available to the public.

I have never been done for speeding.

I have seen some awful driving over the years, especially when driving under blues & two’s. Including by police drivers.
Driving standards have indeed gone downhill in the U.K. over the last decade or so. I have seen many learner drivers in lessons turning without indicating - this seems to be the new normal.
I still don’t understand why all sorts of bad driving seems to be classed as OK but a few miles over the speed limit is more than frowned upon. Bad parking probably causes as many accidents as speeding drivers, yet (round here anyway) it is totally overlooked especially by the police, and I can’t remember the last time I saw a traffic warden round here.

I have dash cams front and rear on my RCZ & in the front of my Range Rover. I certainly don’t drive differently because they are fitted, in fact I forget they’re there. They are purely for my protection in case of an accident.

On both occasions when my Brother & Sister were prosecuted, it was police with a hand held camera gun. It was in a 30 limit zone, one (my Sister) @ 20 meters after a 40 mph zone ended.

 

[Kerr]

A lot off the problem is driving standards in Europe are much worse than here in the uk but once the free movement of people started and they started flooding the roads the accident rate went up an I’m sad to say it’s not going to improve , I drive a 44 ton artic for a living an iv noticed over the years how much worse it’s got , speed doesn’t kill bad driver do

I agree with the first part. A lot of other countries just don't have a care for driving or cars like the UK does. They don't care if their car is bumped and bashed or 40 shades of silver.

Official stats show the number of cars and the mileage covered in the UK has gone up. The amount of crashes has gone down.

Driving standards have always been terrible here too. Crashes were just dismissed as lesser incidents when I was young. The punishment for causing a bad accident was nowhere near what it is today. People are now held accountable and RTAs are now RTCs. It's still not a deterrent.

Neither is the punishment for mobile phone usage. I can't drive across the city without catching lots of drivers with their eyes and a hand in their lap. The problem is rife.

The aggression on the road is far worse than it has ever been. Manners have gotten worse, but it does depend what car I'm driving. Look how many people openly attack BMW and Audi drivers and mean it. I've owned a couple of nice BMWs and the aggression levels were quite severe at times. If I spent time detailing to make it look really shiny the aggression got even worse. It's not the BMW driver that is the issue, it's them.

I had a new A45 AMG a few years ago. It became frustrating and tiresome the amount of cars that ended hard up my backside wanting to race.

The RCR R doesn't get negative attention luckily.

 

[2retro]

Look how many people openly attack BMW and Audi drivers and mean it.

Sorry but they bring it on themselves by driving like complete cocks everywhere.

What's the difference between an Audi and a hedgehog?

On a hedgehog, the pricks are on the outside!

 

[Kerr]

Sorry but they bring it on themselves by driving like complete cocks everywhere.

What's the difference between an Audi and a hedgehog?

On a hedgehog, the pricks are on the outside!

Do they, or does your prejudice make you focus on them more?

Using the dashcam compilations for reference again, there is many weeks where BMWs or Audis hardly feature. There will be the same brand of car numerous times and it'll never be noted. One BMW/Audi and the comments are typical BMW/Audi driver.

The guy that used to call out Peugeot drivers has been quiet for a while. That joke ran for a while.

Many other drivers share the same opinion as me. They think driving their BMW normally stirs a reaction from other people. It's not normal. It's a bit odd to see people get upset at a piece of metal for no reason.

I see bad drivers in every single brand of car. The more common brands of car usually have more bad drivers.


That joke is older than me.

 

[2retro]

Obviously touched a nerve there. It's not prejudice, it's a fact. I'm sure a few of them drive like grandma going to church on a Sunday but unfortunately the majority are always up your arse in the motorway flashing their lights...