OEM Bi-Xenon Retrofit Completed

[Abzynthe]

We should all follow the rules. But, having said that, I believe that if all rules were followed strictly, then this would be a boring place. There are much worse illegal things that can be done, and we are all able to make our own decisions as to whether we do this ourselves.

I do understand your concern Ron, but I think that these lights are less likely to blind you than a Range rover with perfectly functioning xenon headlights, or an old transit with misaligned headlights.

I have never had complaints for my headlights, and technically, mine are more likely to dazzle oncoming traffic as I do not have projector lenses, so the beam in mine is already scattered all over the place.

I also promote modifications to be shared on the forum as in the long run it will help keep us informed of what is possible, and also help members if they want to do them themselves.

 

[Anonymous]

Not entirely certain what you're alluding to Ron but I do feel that it's perfectly healthy to disagree every now and then. Besides, I'm sure you appreciate being challenged. I appreciate your views and concerns and that you aired them whether I agree with you or not.

 

[Abzynthe]

To all concerned.

The below link is the regulation on Xenons and aftermarket HIDs.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... dlamps.pdf

I have already posted my opinion, and Evil Derboy of course has the last say. But I feel that none of the moderators are supporting doing this to your vehicle, but I also believe that we should not censor this thread.

 

[Anonymous]

My take on this is if you want zenons then get them on at factory.If you didnt buy new then leave well alone.I would think that if Ron has eyesight probs he is more of a danger than someone tinkering with their lights. A bit of thought has went into this by this member and we all can make our own mind up wether to follow. It is a forum after all.

 

[Anonymous]

My take on this is if you want zenons then get them on at factory.If you didnt buy new then leave well alone.I would think that if Ron has eyesight probs he is more of a danger than someone tinkering with their lights. A bit of thought has went into this by this member and we all can make our own mind up wether to follow. It is a forum after all.

The difference is my eyesight meets DVLA standards and is therefore quite legal.

You are correct that it is a forum, the forum has rules, but I guess rules are made to be broken. Reminds me of my ex employer rules were only enforced if they decided that your face didn't fit.

 

[Anonymous]

By expreesing his view i think was adding to the debate.I dont agree as such withthe zenon conversion as i stated ,but is there a rule that says you cant post anything that might be of benefit to others?Its just someone rightly or wrongly posting an idea and its uo to us all to condone or reject.

 

[Anonymous]

By expreesing his view i think was adding to the debate.I dont agree as such withthe zenon conversion as i stated ,but is there a rule that says you cant post anything that might be of benefit to others?Its just someone rightly or wrongly posting an idea and its uo to us all to condone or reject.

No, there is not a rule that states that you can't post anything that might be of benefit to others. If that was so there would be no point to a forum. However there is a rule about Posting, distributing, transmitting or promoting illegal content, and what the OP has done is in my and it would appear only my opinion contravened this rule, as the procedure outlined in this thread is not road legal and is a danger to other road users. No forum should endorse nor convey such information. Clearly our moderators have declared that they do not endorse such a modification and are not recommending that others carry out this modification. I believe that as a result of the debate anybody that views this thread will be left in no doubt as to the legality of the modification and will make up their own minds as to whether it is worth doing or not.

 

[Anonymous]

Well yes,as a posting has resulted in some debate which is the main point i am making here.But to call for the post to be removed is a bit over the top i think.

 

[Anonymous]

Well yes,as a posting has resulted in some debate which is the main point i am making here.But to call for the post to be removed is a bit over the top i think.

"I believe that this thread should be removed." is not dissimilar to what you wrote "But to call for the post to be removed is a bit over the top i think" Both are opinions.

 

[renegade79]

excellent post shoey. It only took 4 years for someone on this forum to try this mod. great work. :clap:

 

[mason5465sharon09]

Shoey it looks amazing especially on the Dolphin blue well done :thumbup:

 

[Anonymous]

Rather an RCZ with "illegal" lights than the countless Corsas, Astras, Fiestas ect with badly adjusted lights roaming around. good post. i have factory HID and they are jolly marvellous

 

[Evil Derboy]

Ron stop taking the Moral high ground its only xenon headlamps... :wtf: Great job Shoey

Jassy I am not taking the moral high ground just for the sake of doing so. It is darn right dangerous for other road users. Especially people with eyesight like my own. It is also against the forum rules by my interpretation of them and I believe that this thread should be removed.

• Posting, distributing, transmitting or promoting illegal content,

I'm also not a fan of DIY Xenon kits as they do generally blind on-coming drivers due to the lack of self levellers (roads are not uniformly flat after all, so a permanent level setting ala Halogen lights is no use). However if people choose to to this (which is a very popular mod on any car) thats entirely up to them and Shoey should be congratulated on an excellent post as per RCZ1s earlier comments.

However - for clarity this information falls out-with the scope of the above forum rules so is perfectly acceptable. The content of the post itself is not illegal and the above rule is not designed to limit discussion of something that in itself is illegal (otherwise no posts discussing crime related news etc would be allowed). The rule is in place in relation to content that the site could be held liable for (i.e. copyrighted information or media or illegal stuff like pornography or instructions about bomb-making etc).

Removal of this thread would be completely OTT censorship and I'm amazed that anyone would even suggest it, whether they agree with the content or not.

 

[tianorth]

I am of the opinion that the law states HIDs can be retro fitted to vehicles. Only vehicles that have factory fitted xenon headlights need to have a self levelling system and a cleaning system.

Please let me know if this is the correct interpretation.

Chris

 

[Evil Derboy]

I am of the opinion that the law states HIDs can be retro fitted to vehicles. Only vehicles that have factory fitted xenon headlights need to have a self levelling system and a cleaning system.

Please let me know if this is the correct interpretation.

Chris

It's a grey area. Whether factory fitted or not, current MOT legislation states that self-levelling and washer systems on HID quipped cars must work correctly WHERE FITTED. Which means that if they are not fitted then they aren't subject to the test.

So Shoey's car may in fact sail through an MOT with no issues. And given that the car has projector lamps your average MOT won't know any better and assume it's OEM anyway.

What is illegal is where an HID bulb is fitted to a reflector headlight housing as the beam pattern is incorrect. And strictly speaking ALL HID lights are illegal in the UK (Factory OEM or not)...

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

 

[RCZ-Performance]

Great upgrade!

Oh and we sell HID Conversion Kits, and exhaust systems, and many other performance and non-performance modifications...thanks for your support :thumbup:

 

[Anonymous]

hi,

referred to shoey88 image on previous page, can someone explain how to correctly connect the ballast? i have to move the pin:

2 to 8 for INDICATOR
1 to 10 for SIDE LIGHT LOW
5 to 3 for SIDE LIGHT HIGH
3 to 4 for FULL BEAM
10 to 2 for GROUND

but what about the ballast?


Thanks for support

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Petrinho,

Sorry just seen your message, I'm unsure what your struggling with,

Could you provide me with some more info?

Thanks

Jamie

 

[Anonymous]

I am of the opinion that the law states HIDs can be retro fitted to vehicles. Only vehicles that have factory fitted xenon headlights need to have a self levelling system and a cleaning system.

Please let me know if this is the correct interpretation.

Chris

It's a grey area. Whether factory fitted or not, current MOT legislation states that self-levelling and washer systems on HID quipped cars must work correctly WHERE FITTED. Which means that if they are not fitted then they aren't subject to the test.

So Shoey's car may in fact sail through an MOT with no issues. And given that the car has projector lamps your average MOT won't know any better and assume it's OEM anyway.

What is illegal is where an HID bulb is fitted to a reflector headlight housing as the beam pattern is incorrect. And strictly speaking ALL HID lights are illegal in the UK (Factory OEM or not)...

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

I have never had issues with factory fitted hid/led lights, having hids on the R and led on the 308 (factory fitted) they do not glare, on the other hand you can spot the after market ones a mile off, especially in the anti glare mirror when you can see the glare off them.

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Petrinho,

Sorry just seen your message, I'm unsure what your struggling with,

Could you provide me with some more info?

Thanks

Jamie

Hi, thanks for your reply but i just solve my problem. The issue was related to an error in your conversion sheet.