Hello from the South West

[Anonymous]

Hi, just swapped in my Abarth 500 for a 2.0HDi GT. Not entirely sure that I have made the right decision yet but I fancied a change. First job will be to get the DPF removed, exhaust and remapped of course! as

Drove it on Saturday and did the deal there and then, seemed to go OK and handling seemed reasonable for a standard car. Comfy as usual for a Peugeot. No rear leg room though, just like my XJRS

Most importantly its what the misses wanted, I'll just get the odd drive in it!

 

[Abzynthe]

Welcome

 

[RCZ-Performance]

Congratulations and Welcome!!! We have everything you are looking for

 

[RCZ1]

Welcome to the forum :greetings-wavingblue:

I can't understand why you want to remove the DPF. There are many diesel RCZ owners on here and they appear to be a very reliable machine with no issues reported in this department. Obviously if you are only taking a diesel on short runs, you are asking for trouble but then you wouldn't be buying a diesel, would you?

 

[Anonymous]

Welcome to the forum :greetings-wavingblue:

I can't understand why you want to remove the DPF. There are many diesel RCZ owners on here and they appear to be a very reliable machine with no issues reported in this department. Obviously if you are only taking a diesel on short runs, you are asking for trouble but then you wouldn't be buying a diesel, would you?

I hear what you are saying, but its early days for most RCZ owners and at some point in the engines life the DPF will be full of ash from the regenerations and require either replacing or removing - thats not due to a problem with the car, thats the nature of what a DPF does.

So, why suffer from the additional fuel consumption and degraded performance from having a DPF installed until that point before removing it - why not enjoy the benefits of not having one anyway? Its going to be a cost of ownership at some point, so I would rather get it done now and like I say, enjoy the car for what it could be, rather than not for say 75% of the time I have it.

If I can get an additional 40bhp / 65lb ft torque and at the same time an additional 15% economy now - why wait

 

[Anonymous]

Cost of ownership vs. cost to the environment.

If everyone decided to get rid of their DPFs then we'd have an issue.

 

[RCZ-Performance]

If I can get an additional 40bhp / 65lb ft torque and at the same time an additional 15% economy now - why wait

Really ??? We would like to see proof of this as in dyno runs before and after. Not doubting you, but hard to believe that gain to be honest without proof. So we are intrigued about this once you have done it.

 

[Abzynthe]

If I can get an additional 40bhp / 65lb ft torque and at the same time an additional 15% economy now - why wait

Really ??? We would like to see proof of this as in dyno runs before and after. Not doubting you, but hard to believe that gain to be honest without proof. So we are intrigued about this once you have done it.

A standard remap with the DPF in is 201BHP Ive seen somewhere.

 

[Anonymous]

Cost of ownership vs. cost to the environment.

If everyone decided to get rid of their DPFs then we'd have an issue.

The DPF doesnt reduce emissions, it just manages where the particulates are expelled, so that makes little difference which is why its not part of the VOSA MOT. Everyone is removing their DPF wherever possible, just read Audi/BMW/Mercedes forums lol

A replacement DPF can be as much as £2800 whereas removal can be as little as £300 depending on the car.

As for the performance, you are going to gain 10% torque with removing it alone, then with tuning its going to easily be over 310lb ft. Having had many diesels and petrols tuned over the years the results have always been excellent. To be honest I am not looking to achieve the maximum power, just looking to get the engine to run at its most efficient to enjoy it.

 

[RCZ-Performance]

If I can get an additional 40bhp / 65lb ft torque and at the same time an additional 15% economy now - why wait

Really ??? We would like to see proof of this as in dyno runs before and after. Not doubting you, but hard to believe that gain to be honest without proof. So we are intrigued about this once you have done it.

A standard remap with the DPF in is 201BHP Ive seen somewhere.

From what we read they are stating removing the DPF they will gain the 40bhp / 65lb ft, no mention of doing a remap at the same time. Of course a remap will provide gains with or without a DPF. So the question to prove a gain of that much by just removing the DPF is what we are asking

 

[Abzynthe]

From what we read they are stating removing the DPF they will gain the 40bhp / 65lb ft, no mention of doing a remap at the same time. Of course a remap will provide gains with or without a DPF. So the question to prove a gain of that much by just removing the DPF is what we are asking

Ah, I see. I dont know much about DPFs, but I though when removing it, it needed to be mapped out due to warning lights ect?

 

[RCZ-Performance]

From what we read they are stating removing the DPF they will gain the 40bhp / 65lb ft, no mention of doing a remap at the same time. Of course a remap will provide gains with or without a DPF. So the question to prove a gain of that much by just removing the DPF is what we are asking

Ah, I see. I dont know much about DPFs, but I though when removing it, it needed to be mapped out due to warning lights ect?

Exactly, we want to make sure that this person is clear to all that if you do remove the DPF that you must remap the car. Not everyone on the forum is heavily savvy when it comes to all things technical with the RCZ (not trying to offend anyone, just making a point that sometimes changes to cars made today are not as simple as they seem), but will do things to their car from reading threads, and if the thread is not clear, then they can make mistakes.

So yes a remap is required if you remove the DPF, and depending on the remap it will depict the results

When they have removed the DPF and done a remap, we would like to see the results :thumbup:

 

[Anonymous]

Yep, you have to have the ECU data changed to remove the regeneration process from it and therefore have it "remapped". At the same time its worth getting the EGR Valve mapped out as its no longer required and have the engine tuned.

As I stated previously I am not looking to have the fastest HDi RCZ, but inefficiency annoys me as an engineer so I want the car running the best it can and the additional power and economy will be a testament to that.

I could bore the balls of a buffalo about DPF's if you want or you could read Regulation (EC) No. 715/2007 on type approval of motor vehic.......yeah :sleeping-yellow: me too......

 

[RCZ-Performance]

Yep, you have to have the ECU data changed to remove the regeneration process from it and therefore have it "remapped". At the same time its worth getting the EGR Valve mapped out as its no longer required and have the engine tuned.

As I stated previously I am not looking to have the fastest HDi RCZ, but inefficiency annoys me as an engineer so I want the car running the best it can and the additional power and economy will be a testament to that.

I could bore the balls of a buffalo about DPF's if you want or you could read Regulation (EC) No. 715/2007 on type approval of motor vehic.......yeah :sleeping-yellow: me too......

Lol...just keep it simple and remember who is driving the car at the end of the day

 

[Anonymous]

Well I've had Arsey Ted for a week now and I must say I have been pleasantly surprised by it and could grow to like it. There are a few annoying bits on it though....

The good ...
1. Cabin is really nice
2. Very quiet, although road noise is quite intrusive (I would rather hear the engine!)
3. Comfortable!
4. Not too bad on fuel at 36-39mpg over my 110 mile round trip to work

The bad....
1. The gap between the clutch peddle and the foot rest is too small for my feet and it catches
2. Visibility isn't too good
3. No rear wiper, but can understand why!
4. Can't see the top gauges with the steering wheel in a comfortable position for me (not unusual for me TBH!)

The Ugly
1. I bang my ***ing head on the roof every time I get in the damn thing!
2. Less rear legroom than my XJRS had
3. Much less of a sports car than I hoped, more a middle age cruiser (wife is complaining its too slow!)

and....I dont know how to classify this...
1. I have been ribbed mercilessly by my friends for buying it :-(
2. I have been asked by the landlady of my pub if she can get a good rate on her hair cuts from me :-(
(what you need to know is that I bought the wife an MX5 as well which I also drive myself occasionally, so I ask for trouble really lol)
3. My 14 year old lad wont go in it with me
(again not really an issue, he can get the bus the cheeky sod!)

Its a bit slower than the cars we have had before, but I don't suppose that's a bad thing and like I say, its not really a sports car and wasnt bought to be one! Its just a bit of a slouch in the mid range and has caught me out a few times but I hope this will improve endlessly once the DPF is off and the car is mapped which will happen week after next as I've not got time until then.

All in all, I do quite like it so far

 

[RCZ1]

Well I've had Arsey Ted for a week now and I must say I have been pleasantly surprised by it and could grow to like it. There are a few annoying bits on it though....

The good ...
1. Cabin is really nice
2. Very quiet, although road noise is quite intrusive (I would rather hear the engine!)
3. Comfortable!
4. Not too bad on fuel at 36-39mpg over my 110 mile round trip to work

The bad....
1. The gap between the clutch peddle and the foot rest is too small for my feet and it catches
2. Visibility isn't too good
3. No rear wiper, but can understand why!

I fitted a foot rest in mine but have never used it. Looks good though

I agree about visibility to some degree. The A pillars are very thick and a couple of times I've nearly been caught out because they do block the view sometimes. Now I make a point of looking 3 or 4 times and looking around the pillars before pulling out at junctions for example. You think it's clear then suddenly a car comes beyond the pillar that you just couldn't see on first look.

I don't find reversing a problem as I use the mirrors for that.

To overcome the rear wiper problem and even better for windscreens, is to use Gtechniq G1 rain repellant. It works brilliantly. Rain just runs straight off the windows and little need for wipers. It's also a good idea to have a good wax or sealant on the roof that sheets water really well. Something like Gtechniq C2v3 or even better EXO. It all aids the water clearing the rear window.

The Ugly
1. I bang my ***ing head on the roof every time I get in the damn thing!
2. Less rear legroom than my XJRS had
3. Much less of a sports car than I hoped, more a middle age cruiser (wife is complaining its too slow!)

I think banging your head on the roof when you get in is a man thing! My OH does it every time. I've never had a problem.

Legroom - you don't really buy a RCZ for its back seats do you? It's not that sort of car.... Not for me anyway

I like the fact that the Z is a great cruiser. Yes you can have a bit of fun in it on twisty country roads when the mood takes you but I also enjoy just taking my time and enjoying the car. When I went to York the other day I was happy to just trundle along for the 40 mile journey at about 50mph, whilst some dipstick in a VW thought it was a good idea to go overtaking everyone on chevroned right filter turnings, making everyone slam on their brakes when he had to push back into the traffic!

and....I dont know how to classify this...
1. I have been ribbed mercilessly by my friends for buying it :-(
2. I have been asked by the landlady of my pub if she can get a good rate on her hair cuts from me :-(
(what you need to know is that I bought the wife an MX5 as well which I also drive myself occasionally, so I ask for trouble really lol)
3. My 14 year old lad wont go in it with me
(again not really an issue, he can get the bus the cheeky sod!)

Its a bit slower than the cars we have had before, but I don't suppose that's a bad thing and like I say, its not really a sports car and wasnt bought to be one! Its just a bit of a slouch in the mid range and has caught me out a few times but I hope this will improve endlessly once the DPF is off and the car is mapped which will happen week after next as I've not got time until then.

All in all, I do quite like it so far

Your friends are probably jealous but it's your car and whether it is a hairdressers car then I'm sure Sean will put us right there

I hope you continue to like car as it grows on you. It really is a lovely car to drive



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[Anonymous]

Enjoyed reading your review and glad you seem broadly happy.

Referring to the below point, are you telling me your son does not like being picked up from school in an RCZ, but was happy with a 500 Abarth and is ok with an MX5? :eusa-think: Bus stop is that way me thinks...

3. My 14 year old lad wont go in it with me
(again not really an issue, he can get the bus the cheeky sod!)

 

[Anonymous]

Hi mate your thought's on the RCZ :eusa-think: Its not a sport car its a tourer :beer: ,it takes practice getting in and out of :thumbup: Its a totally different type of car to a 500 abarth I have driven A 500 abarth and also had a punto abarth SS on loan for a week a few years ago. I loved the the GP Abarth the 500 too harsh and bumpy on almost all road surfaces :thumbdown: go cart like :thumbup: Residuals :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :thumbdown: .

REMAP removal of the dpf,lower the rcz EIBACH.. :thumbup:jumping from a diesel engine to a turbo petrol takes getting used to aswell :thumbup:

PS.Rear Wiper on a bubbled rear screen :wtf: Rain X or similar will remove any need for a rear wiper system.

I dont have Have my rcz now :eusa-think: i now have a hatchback and its a pain in the ass using a rear wiper.

Give it time you will love the rcz :thumbup: when your modifications come into place

 

[Anonymous]

To avoid bumping you bonce, if you haven't already done so, try lowering the seat base. I had to in order to avoid banging mine. Now I fall into the seat and no were near the roof :thumbup:

 

[RCZ-Performance]

All of the power issues can be solved.