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Guide to scratch free washing

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In this thread I hope to explain some good practices for washing a car that help in the prevention of inflicting swirl marks to paint. :)


Whats Wrong With A Sponge?
Millions of people wash their car using a sponge. But if you read the threads on this forum you will see that hardly any members are washing their cars using a traditional sponge... Why is that? It all comes down to the flat flace of the sponge:



Imagine automotive paintwork with your typical dirt and grit paricles sutck on the top of the paint, that you want to wash off to revela your car's shine. Some of these dirt particles are sharp:



Now, if you place a sponge down ontop of these grit particles as you would do if you were washing your car with a sponge, the grit particles become trapped between the face of the sponge and the paint - they have no where to go owing to the flat face of the sponge:



When you wipe the sponge across the paintwork, you wipe the sharp grit particles straight across the paint. As they move over the paint, the dirt particles leave a thin hairline scratch:



These little scratches are highly visible in bright light because they catch the light, and this is what gives you the dreaded swirl marks that rob yuo paint of gloss and colour and ruin the car's look. A pic of bad swirl marks, the result of sponge washing of a car:




Wash Mitts
Lambswool and Sheepswool wash mitts have been developped to get around the problems of sponges trapping grit particles by the flat face. If you run your fingers through a lambwool mitt, you can see that it is deep pile and not flat faced:



Returning to the grit partciles on paintwork, when the wash mitt is placed onto them, the grit particles are absorbed into the mitt - safely away from paintwork so that they cannot scratch the paint:



Therefore, sweeping the mitt across the paint doesn't sweep the grit over the paint also and so you don't inflict lots of tiny hairline scratches.

Note: While washmitts are considerbaly better than sponges, it is impossible to completely avoid inflicting the odd swirl marks here and there using a wash mitt. What follows in this thread are tips on how to keep these inflicted swirls to an absolute minimum.


Which Wash Mitt?
There are a great number of washmitts on the marked nowadays, ranging from lambswool and sheepswool to cotton chenille to microfibre. In my experience the best mitts are the lambswool and sheepswool. When choosing a mitt, choose one with a soft deep pile that will be kind to paintwork. Two excellent mitts are:

Meguiars Lambswool Wash Mitt
Eurow Sheepskin Wash Mitt

and there are others too.


So Many Shampoos! Which to Choose?
At the end of the day, shampoo choice for your car is going to come down to personal prefernce. But there are so many shampoos on the market its hard to know which ones to go for! A couple of things to look for when choosing a car shampoo:

1. Lubricity in the washing solution - you want a shampoo that makes the washing solution feel nice and lubricated so that dirt particles can be encapsulated by this lubricant and any that aren't absorbed into the wash mitt will slide off the paint without scratching in the rinsing water. Soapy suds are pleasing and can make car washing fun, but lubricated wash solution is more important.

2. A shampoo should contain no harsh detergents if you are washing a car that you have spent many hours polishing, sealing and waxing. Harsh detergents strip wax straight off the paintwork leaving your paint surface dried out and unprotected. Fairy Liquid is therefore a big no no for washing cars. You feel what happens to the sking on your hand if in prolonged contact with harsh detergents, it dires the skin out - it will do similar damage to paint.

With this in mind, there are still a huge number of car shampoos that fit the bill - ones that I have used and rate are the following, so if you're struggling on which to choose, try one of the following:

Meguiars #62 Bodywork Shampoo & Conditioner (my favourite)
Meguiars Gold Class Bodywork Shampoo & Conditioner
Meguiars Hyper Wash (awsome dilution ratio of 400:1 - lasts ages!)
Poorboys Super Slick & Suds
Pinnacle Bodywork Shampoo & Conditioner
Einszett Perls


What is the "Two-Bucket Method"
Again, millions of people use a single bucket of car wash solution to wash their car, but if you read the threads on this site you will find most members wash their cars using the "Two-Bucket Method" - whats that?

As suggested by the name, the two bucket method uses two buckets, not one. In thie first bucket, you have your car wash solution as normal. In the second bucket you have clean fresh water. First off you soak your mitt in the wash solution and begin washing the car (as described below). Then, before dunking the wash mitt back into the wash solution, you rinse it out in the second bucket of fresh water - this rinses out the dirt and grit particles from this mitt so that they cannot come into contact with your paint, reducing the number of swirls inflicted.

A grit-guard is also a very worthwhile investment and sits at the bottom of the bucket (I have two, one in the rinsing bucket and one in the wash solution bucket). When dunking you mitt into the fresh water bucket, rub it across the grit guard to increase the amount of grit particles which are removed from the mitt. Also, it keeps them trapped at the bottom of the bucket so even less chance of the mitt picking them back up and them reaching your paintwork to inflict scratches.
 
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Here I describe the generic technique I use to wash cars...

Wheels, Arches, Door Jambs
Start with these. When washing your wheels using a wheel brush, the shampoo solution (or wheel cleaner solution) can spray up onto paintwork, and if youve just cleaned the paintwork, you'll end up needing to clean it again to remove the dirty spray from wheels! Don't forget to open all doors and boot and clean the doorjambs and the insides of the door (without getting wash solution into the locking mechanisms, I cover these up) - these areas can pick up a lot of dirt as well and it adds something a little extra to open the door and see the jambs as clean as the rest of the car as these areas are often forgotten about.

Pre-Rinsing
This loosens up dirt and wets the paintwork ready for washing. Using a hose pipe, direct a gentle spray of water at the paintwork at a shallow angle. If you blast the paintwork with high pressure at ninety degrees to the paintwork, you'll force grit into the paint and cause scatches. Just a gentle spray of water to wet the paintwork is all that is required. If you don't have access to a hose, use a watering can with the rose fitted to produce a gentle spary of water:



Shampooing
This is the major stage of the washing process, and the time when most scratches can be inflicted if care is not taken. This removes fresh surface contimaniation from paintwork such as dust, grit, mud, road film etc... Add the correct amount of car wash solution (according to the dilution ratio on the bottle) to your bucket and fill with water to produces suds and lubricated wash solution:



The water can be cold, or warm - I prefer warm water as it keeps my hands warm, especially in winter!!

Now, use the two bucket method described above. Use two washmitts - one for the top areas of the car (roof, bonnet, upper sides above the wheel arch line) and one for the lower areas (below the wheel arch line, front and rear bumpers). Use a light parallel motion when washing, with out applying forceful pressure that will inflict scratches.



If a mark is stubborn and wont come off with gentle movement of the wash mitt, it will require a stronger cleaner such as tar remover or clay. Start from the roof and work down, therefore the large quantities of dirt that form on the lower parts of car are not transferred to the traditionally cleaner upper areas of the car. Try to avoid letting the shampoo dry on the paintwork as this will cause streaks and soap spots, for this reason try to avoid washing in direct sunlight. If you are in direct sunlight, it may be neccessary to wash and rinse a panel art a time. Continue until the car is completed.

Rinsing
Once washed, the next step is to rinse away the soap bubbles and film. If using a hose I first of all use a light spary of water to wet the paintwork (using the rose on the watering can), just like the pre-rinsing step. Then follow this up with a flow of water from the hose (rose off the water can this time). Most shampoos are free rinsing and require this flow of water to make the rinsing water "sheet" off of the paintwork. (This sheeting effect will work best on well sealed and waxed paintwork). On a sealed/waxed car, keep rinsing until the water sheets cleanly off the paintwork and leaves behind only water beads and not flat regions of water. This makes the car essentially self drying! Rinse from the top of the car down.

Drying
Another risk stage as far as scrathes are concerned. First off, I find that using a waffleweave drying towel is far safer and more effective than using a chamois leather. A couple of examples of good quality waffleweave drying towels are:

Sonus Der Wunder drying Towels
Poorboys Waffleweave

Also Pakshak towels are very very good too! Rather than sweeping the towel across the paintwork to remove the water, I prefer to pat dry the car. The sweeping of the towel has more risk of inflicting scratches as stray grit particles may be picked up and inadvertantly swept across the paint inflicting swirl marks. Instead, pat dry the car by laying the towel down over the wet paintwork. Gently pat the towel, then lift off the paintwork. The towel will absorb the water to dry the paint. A thin flim of water may be left behind but this will quickly evaporate to leave a sparkling, streak free finish.

And there we have it - safe washing technique to avoid inflicting dreaded swirls into paintwork. :)


Thanks Again go to DaveKG From detailingworld for this guide
 

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I have read this guide on detailing world previously however you haven't mentioned snow foaming the car BEFORE washing. I find that this is THE most important step in achieving a scratch free finish. This will loosen/remove any dirt, grit, dead flies, etc making the actual washing process much easier as there is no prolonged rubbing to remove these items. Rinsing the car with a watering can before washing, will not remove the necessary dirt and grime, I believe, especially at this time of year. A pressure washer, used correctly, will do the job required.

I would always recommend pat drying the car, rather then rubbing or dragging the drying towel over the paintwork.

DaveKG has some great guides on that forum and speaks a lot of sense and is very, very informative.
 
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Indeed, his threads are in many of my Favourite links on my works PC :lol:
 
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It's funny how we have cleaned our cars for years & never given this topic of 'Sponges' a thought, but reading about it & seeing the diagrams you've included Figo, has shocked me...'WHY' have I never thought of this, it's abundantly obvious :eusa-think:

We have learned 'so' much from coming onto this Forum...it's opened up a New world in car care & we are reaping the rewards already, althouugh I do have to agree that Snow Foaming is an ESSENTIAL 1st stage to cleaning in order to avoid swirls. The back,& sides of my car were covered in debris/black oil like filth yesterday, & after 5 minutes under foam & then a jet wash to remove the foam, the car was already transformed & we had'nt touched the paintwork with our hands!

Cheers Figo :thumbup:
 
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I agree - I've learnt so much on this forum. I've now invested in a good quality wash mitt and I've started using the two bucket method. It's working a treat for me - altho I've not used snow foam yet. I might give that a try!

Btw - I've never owned a red car before and I have to say it's so easy to clean (compared to black)!!! :thumbup:
 
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Thanks to Figo :thumbup: and of course, to RCZ1, Queen of Detailing :D for all their hints and tips. As marthamay22 says, we've all been cleaning our cars incorrectly for years and this forum has really opened my eyes to the cruelty I've inflicted on my previous chariots. Not any more. Freddie gets TLC and in fact got a wash yesterday and I'm just between polishing right now, letting it go hazy (Mer Ultimate) before buffing off. I gave him a coat of Meguiar's NXT generation Tech wax a few weeks ago but think I'll add another coat today before the snow returns on Thursday :crazy: . Sadly I haven't got the facilities to snow foam but it certainly looks the business!
 
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In fact look how clean red comes up using a good wash mitt and the two bucket method:

 
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more than anything it keeps our cars looking good for longer.. take my run around, a 100,000 Mile MGZT, it looks better than the next door neighbours 6 month old BMW simplythrough decent washing!
 
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Both cars reflecting all that hard work and dedication. Here are 2 of MY hard work today...
 

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mllblue-yes my amber red takes no cleaning,a quick wash it if needs it then 10 minutes with the greased lightening waterles polish-like new and protects against tar etc.
 

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Those pics of the RCZ's above are great credit to you all. Washing and drying your car in the correct manner, will keep it looking its best for many, many years to come. Good on yer all :thumbup: :clap:
 
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Mlbblue said:
I agree - I've learnt so much on this forum. I've now invested in a good quality wash mitt and I've started using the two bucket method. It's working a treat for me - altho I've not used snow foam yet. I might give that a try!

Btw - I've never owned a red car before and I have to say it's so easy to clean (compared to black)!!! :thumbup:

Red Huh.............. now you tell me :lol:

The snow foam smells gorgeous by the way, my wife keeps 'sniffing' at the car when it's having it's treatment................very odd!!! :eusa-think:
 
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Mlbblue said:
In fact look how clean red comes up using a good wash mitt and the two bucket method:


Shame there is'nt a 'Wolf-whistle' smily...........coz she looks hot Mlbblue :thumbup:
 
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Cheers Martha - altho she's dirty again now!!! :thumbdown: I can't wait til the summer.... Mind you, thos pics of your black RCZ were superb... dont think I've ever seen a black car with that kind of shine! :clap:
 
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I parked next to a charcoal grey RCZ at the Silverstone meet earlier in the year. I couldn't believe how bad the swirls were on it and he couldn't have had it for more than a month or two. :eek:
I know white cars don't show up swirls as badly, but it proves the paint on the RCZ is quite soft. Thankfully I can't see any swirls on my paint yet as I think I now have pretty good care practices:

* Good protection (Autoglym and Autobrite wax at the moment). Soon to swap to sealant (Jett)
* Snow foam
* 2BM (microfibre chenile for body and washmitt for wheels) with AG Shampoo/Conditioner (just bought some Megs NXT wash)
* Car dried with a microfibre towel
* AG Alloy wheel seal on wheels
* Permaclear waterless wash (like Showroom Shine) for when I haven't time for a full wash

The true indication of my efforts will be shown (or not) on the black roof I think. At the moment though, it still looks like the glass :clap:
 
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gave mine a full detailing today-showroom shined it and it gleems.
 
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Hi Bee - are you saying you detailed it, then SS'd it? How do you find SS? I use the Permaclear stuff cos it's a bit cheaper and you get 2 MF cloths. I use it for a quick spritz when I can't be bothered getting the pressure washer and buckets out. Still waiting for a really nice day so I can take off the current wax and then apply Jett sealant. That should work even better with the waterless wash because they both use silicones.
 
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ss keeps mine looking smart but i do give it a quick wash if it needs it first. get the ss from ideal world tv or there site on pc.
also on ebay.
 
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may i suggest using microfibres, especially for glass and shiny surfaces. not the rubbish you find in supermarkets mind but high-grade professional ones.
a French producer named Decitex has the highest quality i have found to date - I'm not sure who distributes them in the Uk but I can try to find out if anyone is interested; they produce one especially for non porous surfaces that is fantastic!
there is also the 'Tork 909 Polishing cloth' (article number 197150) made by Sca/Tork that isn't bad as a finishing cloth for the body.
for detergents try to avoid ones with odour/perfume as they leave traces.
my 2 pence worth...
 
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