Newbie looking for an R

[2retro]

Look at how many drivers openly have heavily altered registration plates or don't even have one displayed. If it was an offence heavily clamped down on it wouldn't be such a vast issue.

Also the police officers dealing with traffic offences aren't the ones dealing with stabbings.

Altered registration plates and cloned plates are commonplace for criminal activity.

We all know there is a legal requirement for registration plates. You can't get these plates made up by any reputable source.

Blame the people not adhering.

Fair enough if it's no numberplate, or plates in the wrong font, or bolts to make letters look like something else, etc. But right size/colour/font/etc but a space in the wrong place? As if highly sophisticated ANPR cameras can't read them because a space is in the wrong place!

 

[Claret63]

I hope the grey R went for near what the Owner was asking, given it was on AT for a bit with the seller holding out so possibly not desperate to sell; it looked a solid car, many that have cropped up recently have looked somewhat ropey and are obviously daily driver's. I would still be looking for £14-15K if I sold mine now...no interest at that and I would keep it.

The amounts given for 'trade' or supposed AT pricing etc discussed and the constant vibe by some to drop the value of the R is odd, especially so when similar performance/machinery like a Megane RS is holding firmer. That said prices have fallen for cars; but a decent R is on the whole is still being priced more than in 2019 when I got mine....that seemed to be the bottom of the curve, who knows maybe it's a double dip?! Interestingly using web based/trade pricing is irrelevant for me (and many others) as I would not go near the trade in/PCP route and it can bite or prove ineffective when pricing modern classics; I had an MG TF which I sold 18 months ago, priced by the 'market' at the time at circa £1500. I sold it for £3500 to the first viewer (knew what it was and what he wanted) it was the model/extras to have in one of the best colours, low mileage and mint condition....when someone wants a decent example of an older car, rather than an obvious daily or worn/ragged shitter they are willing to pay for that.

The Renault cup cars are becoming very sought after, also they are excellent cars, so it doesn’t surprise me prices are firm they have a big following.

I would be interested to see how an R would do against a Megane R/S ?

 

[Kerr]

Fair enough if it's no numberplate, or plates in the wrong font, or bolts to make letters look like something else, etc. But right size/colour/font/etc but a space in the wrong place? As if highly sophisticated ANPR cameras can't read them because a space is in the wrong place!

If you start permitting certain breaches then other people will take that even further. It's already out of control just now.

The laws are clear on the requirement for registration plates. You can't get them made up at reputable car shops and it's an MOT failure.

Clearly the current punishments are not a strong enough deterrent.

 

[Kerr]

The amounts given for 'trade' or supposed AT pricing etc discussed and the constant vibe by some to drop the value of the R is odd

You need to stop taking the discussions so personally. You keep getting upset and wrongly think there is motive to drive down prices. There isn't.

What a few people say on an internet forum has little bearing on what the cars are valued at.

People sign up and ask for advice. Too often on here the advice goes the value of these cars are only going one way. We've had a few members spend too much and get stung badly.

Trade in values, CAP valuations and Autotrader's price guides might mean nothing to you, but they do to other people.

A lot of people don't want the hassle of selling cars privately. It is only fair to point out to potential owners that if you need to sell an R it isn't easy. If you want good money you can take months to sell the car. If you want to move the car on in a reasonable time, or trade it in like most owners do, then they are going to suffer financially.

The disparity between some of the advertised prices and what you'll get for a R if you have to sell quickly or trade in is not normal.

 

[Kerr]

The Renault cup cars are becoming very sought after, also they are excellent cars, so it doesn’t surprise me prices are firm they have a big following.

I would be interested to see how an R would do against a Megane R/S ?

I had a 265 Cup. It has been remapped by the previous owner and it was quick. A lot of them are modified and very popular for track cars.

In standard form I don't think there would be much between the cars at all. I think the RS is a little more agile. The brakes were nowhere near as good and the gearbox wasn't as good either. The steering was better.

The engine didn't have much character. Poor fuel economy too.

Prices are sensitive to options.

 

[Claret63]

I had a 265 Cup. It has been remapped by the previous owner and it was quick. A lot of them are modified and very popular for track cars.

In standard form I don't think there would be much between the cars at all. I think the RS is a little more agile. The brakes were nowhere near as good and the gearbox wasn't as good either. The steering was better.

The engine didn't have much character. Poor fuel economy too.

Prices are sensitive to options.

My neighbour has one that he races, he swears by them, he has many cars and it is one of his favourites, they must be very good, I am trying to get a drive of it!

I could never have one though, I just can’t get past the interiors in Renault cars.

 

[Percival]

You need to stop taking the discussions so personally. You keep getting upset and wrongly think there is motive to drive down prices. There isn't.

What a few people say on an internet forum has little bearing on what the cars are valued at.

People sign up and ask for advice. Too often on here the advice goes the value of these cars are only going one way. We've had a few members spend too much and get stung badly.

Trade in values, CAP valuations and Autotrader's price guides might mean nothing to you, but they do to other people.

A lot of people don't want the hassle of selling cars privately. It is only fair to point out to potential owners that if you need to sell an R it isn't easy. If you want good money you can take months to sell the car. If you want to move the car on in a reasonable time, or trade it in like most owners do, then they are going to suffer financially.

The disparity between some of the advertised prices and what you'll get for a R if you have to sell quickly or trade in is not normal.

Don't be so condescending Kerr, I am neither upset nor taking your views personally, though your pontification does grate at times.

Claret63 said:
My neighbour has one that he races, he swears by them, he has many cars and it is one of his favourites, they must be very good, I am trying to get a drive of it!

I had a play with car spec comparisons on Zeperfs the 'duels' the RS has similar performance to the R or the one I selected did https://zeperfs.com/en/duel4616-7179.htm and an earlier RS Trophy https://zeperfs.com/en/duel4616-5366.htm. The R seems to do well.

Interesting to see lap times compared on circuits with other makes and models too.

 

[Kerr]

Don't be so condescending Kerr, I am neither upset nor taking your views personally, though your pontification does grate at times.

There you go again. In an effort to say you're not upset you are getting stroppy again.

Look how many times you've resorted to insulting other members and flounced from threads. It clearly angers you.

 

[Claret63]

There you go again. In an effort to say you're not upset you are getting stroppy again.

Look how many times you've resorted to insulting other members and flounced from threads. It clearly angers you.

Hopefully this isn’t going to be an ongoing argument chaps, think we all share the same passion for the R, always good to have a debate.

Anyway the latest R on AT has some interesting touches, just don’t understand why people want to mess about with the R with mods, strange….

 

[RCZ-R]

The Renault cup cars are becoming very sought after, also they are excellent cars, so it doesn’t surprise me prices are firm they have a big following.

I would be interested to see how an R would do against a Megane R/S ?

I had a chance to compare a Megane RS 275 with my R. On the autobahn, acceleration-wise, the R pulled away. But this was never a strong side of all those Meganes. You need to up the power to 300ish on the Megane to be able to keep up with the RCZ R or sloooowly walk away.

Then on the more important roads, B roads, the Megane shines like a supernova. Already the second generation of Megane, from 2007 upwards, and foremost with the special edition of the Megane R26, they became ballistic on B roads. Sensational feel for the steering and balance of the car. According to the magazine EVO, the Megane R26 was the first ever car with electric assisted steering which transmitted propper road feel into the steering. I wholeheartedly agree with that. If you had the skills, you could give a run a Lotus Exige on B roads with that Megane. Yes, it was a bit feeble with the 230 horses. But they could be upped with stage 1 map to around 250 and more torque which was then absolutely fine and sufficient for this chassis.
Then the next generation, and especially the 1st facelift and the the 275 version, upped the game dramatically. If you know what car feel is all about, you stepped into it and after only 200 meters of driving you knew it was a serious driver's car. Such a fantastic chassis, suspension and this chirurgical steering. Again, the only small downside was again the engine. It was much better then the original Megane 250 and its predecessor. But never a really engaging engine. A stupid Golf GTI had a better drivetrain than the Megane, feelwise.
And this is where the RCZ R stood out. The turbo engine on the R is just a piece of metal to adore. It revs like a NA engine, it pulls up to the rev limiter, it is all alive and adds a huge element to the fun factor of the R. Nothing to compare with the 156 or 200. Just another league.
Yes, the chassis and suspension is great too. But I reckon the latest facelift of Megane, the very last stance with the 275 version, is a bit better. It rewards you a bit more with fun and emotions when being pushed to the limit.
You can do silly things with the R too and have a plenty of fun. Don't get me wrong. I've been there. But the Megane is like a tiny tiny bit better. But then you think about the engine and I would go for the RCZ R any day.

 

[Claret63]

I had a chance to compare a Megane RS 275 with my R. On the autobahn, acceleration-wise, the R pulled away. But this was never a strong side of all those Meganes. You need to up the power to 300ish on the Megane to be able to keep up with the RCZ R or sloooowly walk away.

Then on the more important roads, B roads, the Megane shines like a supernova. Already the second generation of Megane, from 2007 upwards, and foremost with the special edition of the Megane R26, they became ballistic on B roads. Sensational feel for the steering and balance of the car. According to the magazine EVO, the Megane R26 was the first ever car with electric assisted steering which transmitted propper road feel into the steering. I wholeheartedly agree with that. If you had the skills, you could give a run a Lotus Exige on B roads with that Megane. Yes, it was a bit feeble with the 230 horses. But they could be upped with stage 1 map to around 250 and more torque which was then absolutely fine and sufficient for this chassis.
Then the next generation, and especially the 1st facelift and the the 275 version, upped the game dramatically. If you know what car feel is all about, you stepped into it and after only 200 meters of driving you knew it was a serious driver's car. Such a fantastic chassis, suspension and this chirurgical steering. Again, the only small downside was again the engine. It was much better then the original Megane 250 and its predecessor. But never a really engaging engine. A stupid Golf GTI had a better drivetrain than the Megane, feelwise.
And this is where the RCZ R stood out. The turbo engine on the R is just a piece of metal to adore. It revs like a NA engine, it pulls up to the rev limiter, it is all alive and adds a huge element to the fun factor of the R. Nothing to compare with the 156 or 200. Just another league.
Yes, the chassis and suspension is great too. But I reckon the latest facelift of Megane, the very last stance with the 275 version, is a bit better. It rewards you a bit more with fun and emotions when being pushed to the limit.
You can do silly things with the R too and have a plenty of fun. Don't get me wrong. I've been there. But the Megane is like a tiny tiny bit better. But then you think about the engine and I would go for the RCZ R any day.

Love your write ups RCZ-R, real world experience unlike the crap posted across most forums.
I think the problem for us in the UK is you can’t really drive the R to it’s full potential unless you track it.

I would love to drive the R flat out like you have, to fully appreciate the engine.

 

[dave g]

Hi all,

Since being ULEZ'd I've been looking for a 200 but realised the R is within reach if I can get one at 10-12K, and have yet to find any reason not to buy one instead!
I came on the forum hoping to find the definitive buyer's guide, and expected to find a lot more problems with the R than I have on here, it having such high performance from a 1600 engine.
Any pointers will be welcome, especially if it leads me to a good R, preferably black!

Cheers

Al.

Hi l have l very nice r, which l am reluctantly considering selling. If you interested in my car? It has only 37000 miles on the clock. One of the lowest mileages in the country. Please ring on 07941 920352 Dave

 

[RCZ-R]

Love your write ups RCZ-R, real world experience unlike the crap posted across most forums.
I think the problem for us in the UK is you can’t really drive the R to it’s full potential unless you track it.

I would love to drive the R flat out like you have, to fully appreciate the engine.

Thank you very much! I'd love to roll on a thread/topic over here where we all exchange our experiences with the R on the roads. I still have plenty of stories on my mind. But my mind gets clogged by corporate bullshit day-by-day so those are fading away I need to write them down. Sadly I never took a lot of pictures with my R when on the roads.
Going flat out on the autobahn was some fun but also a bit of draining on your energy as the car got loud over 230 kph.

 

[Claret63]

Nice example on AT up today, was on PistonHeads originally, love a carbon roof on a R.

 

[Percival]

Agree looks nice and proper money ..let's wait for it to be pulled to pieces....

 

[Kerr]

It looks good, but he will struggle to get that money for it.

Probably not best to advertise you have the chance to buy a better R. I'd automatically be trying to find the other car.

 

[Claret63]

It looks good, but he will struggle to get that money for it.

Probably not best to advertise you have the chance to buy a better R. I'd automatically be trying to find the other car.

It’s probably someone he knows, so not advertised, nevertheless a nice genuine example in my eyes, that is well priced if you want a good car.

 

[apple3337]

Agree looks nice and proper money ..let's wait for it to be pulled to pieces....

How much are they asking for it?

 

[Kerr]

It’s probably someone he knows, so not advertised, nevertheless a nice genuine example in my eyes, that is well priced if you want a good car.

The car had been advertised on Pistonheads. If he's reducing the price and paying for an additional advert on AutoTrader it looks like he's not getting much interest.

Car prices are coming back down after the coronavirus spike, but the R is continuing to fall at a faster rate.

A couple of years ago there was a few garages regularly picking up Rs. They were pushing prices up getting strong money. It is odd that they've all stopped selling Rs.

 

[Claret63]

The car had been advertised on Pistonheads. If he's reducing the price and paying for an additional advert on AutoTrader it looks like he's not getting much interest.

Car prices are coming back down after the coronavirus spike, but the R is continuing to fall at a faster rate.

A couple of years ago there was a few garages regularly picking up Rs. They were pushing prices up getting strong money. It is odd that they've all stopped selling Rs.

That may to due to the fact that garages don't want them anymore due to the fact they are high maintenance and they are getting all the shitters on trade in which are not worth the hassle with their standard warranty given the ridiculous price of parts for the R.

We will be probably going to the market later this year, so we will see how hard we get hit.