Sealing + Wax together

[Anonymous]

Hi you detailing professionals

a friend of mine recommended a sealing product (Surf City Garage Nano Seal) for car protection.

According to other people who have used it it's medium shiny and should be topped with a good wax for that extra shine you might want.

Now my question: from my understanding a wax works by closing the little pores each paint has and making it more glossy and shiny this way (and protecting the paint of course).

Now, if there's already a sealing product on the paint those little pores should (in theory) be gone. Does the wax

a: still work (adds shine)

b: stay on the sealed paint. From my understanding it should last less on a sealed surface.

According to Surf City it's okay to top it with a wax. But does it make sense?

 

[RCZ1]

Hi you detailing professionals

a friend of mine recommended a sealing product (Surf City Garage Nano Seal) for car protection.

According to other people who have used it it's medium shiny and should be topped with a good wax for that extra shine you might want.

Now my question: from my understanding a wax works by closing the little pores each paint has and making it more glossy and shiny this way (and protecting the paint of course).

Now, if there's already a sealing product on the paint those little pores should (in theory) be gone. Does the wax

a: still work (adds shine)

b: stay on the sealed paint. From my understanding it should last less on a sealed surface.

According to Surf City it's okay to top it with a wax. But does it make sense?

Mmm some interesting questions here and some misleading quotes.

Firstly, I can't comment on the particular product you mention as I've not used it but it seems to a sealant with nano technology. There are a lot of them on the market and are on the whole very good products. However, when you say it's medium shiny and should be topped with a wax for extra shine - this is where it becomes misleading.

A wax does not add shine. Shine comes from polish. A wax or sealant is only sealing in that shine. A wax /sealant gives protection.
Not sure that wax closes the pores of the paint. Think that is more of a sealant thing but shine comes from decontaminating paint work and then polishing to clear the paint of all oxidisation and fall out, etc which all dulls the finish of paint.

If you top a sealant with a wax then the wax becomes the LSP or Last Stage Product. Therefore, you are taking away all the benefits of the sealant and it's ability to sheet water well and also stay cleaner for longer and you are in turn taking on the properties of the wax that you use. There's nothing wrong with topping a sealant with a wax but to my mind, you are defeating the objective of putting the sealant on in the first place.

 

[Anonymous]

A wax does not add shine. Shine comes from polish. A wax or sealant is only sealing in that shine. A wax /sealant gives protection.

I agree on the protection part, but have you ever polished an e.g. red candle with a wet cotton ball? Gets glossy like hell after a while. I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of what's visible when you wax a car.
But I'm not a detailing expert, so I could be completely wrong of course.

There's nothing wrong with topping a sealant with a wax but to my mind, you are defeating the objective of putting the sealant on in the first place.

I don't like detailing during winter time (who does :roll: ), so my hope is that the overall protection lasts longer...when the wax is gone there's still the sealant....

 

[RCZ1]

A wax does not add shine. Shine comes from polish. A wax or sealant is only sealing in that shine. A wax /sealant gives protection.

I agree on the protection part, but have you ever polished an e.g. red candle with a wet cotton ball? Gets glossy like hell after a while. I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of what's visible when you wax a car.
But I'm not a detailing expert, so I could be completely wrong of course.

There's nothing wrong with topping a sealant with a wax but to my mind, you are defeating the objective of putting the sealant on in the first place.

I don't like detailing during winter time (who does :roll: ), so my hope is that the overall protection lasts longer...when the wax is gone there's still the sealant....

Wax adds a little something but a wax alone won't make a car shiny. It's not what it's intended for. If you put a wax on a car that had not been polished for months or longer, you wouldn't see any benefit or minimal.

Again you are just wasting your time putting the wax on. If the sealant IS good, it won't need anything over it. If it won't last you 6 months or so through winter I would suggest you try another longer lasting sealant, if you don't want to be detailing in winter.

 

[Anonymous]

Wax adds a little something but a wax alone won't make a car shiny. It's not what it's intended for. If you put a wax on a car that had not been polished for months or longer, you wouldn't see any benefit or minimal.

Okay!

Again you are just wasting your time putting the wax on. If the sealant IS good, it won't need anything over it. If it won't last you 6 months or so through winter I would suggest you try another longer lasting sealant, if you don't want to be detailing in winter.

Okay, thanks for saving my time :thumbup:

But what I will try (hey, I'm an engineer, I can't resist that urge) is to put some additional wax on one half of the boot lid to see how the wax on top looks and behaves during that bad-weather-time.

Thanks again :thumbup:

 

[RCZ1]

Wax adds a little something but a wax alone won't make a car shiny. It's not what it's intended for. If you put a wax on a car that had not been polished for months or longer, you wouldn't see any benefit or minimal.

Okay!

Again you are just wasting your time putting the wax on. If the sealant IS good, it won't need anything over it. If it won't last you 6 months or so through winter I would suggest you try another longer lasting sealant, if you don't want to be detailing in winter.

Okay, thanks for saving my time :thumbup:

But what I will try (hey, I'm an engineer, I can't resist that urge) is to put some additional wax on one half of the boot lid to see how the wax on top looks and behaves during that bad-weather-time.

Thanks again :thumbup:

Good idea Tom. Be interesting to see the results. Which wax are you intending to use out of interest?

 

[Anonymous]

I've always been of the understanding that polishing gets your shine, and the wax holds it in and protects at the same time.

 

[Anonymous]

Off topic but which lron X do i get :eusa-think: l take it this cleaner is in a dilutible form :eusa-think: Saw one 500ml bottle on ebay......................£105 :wtf:

 

[Anonymous]

500ml bottle is £13:99 on eBay or get trix from same company as it does tar as well for same price

 

[Anonymous]

Just type carpro into search on eBay and it'll give u wot u want

 

[RCZ1]

This iron X and you don't dilute it. juat spray on, leave for 3-4 minutes to see it do its thing then rinse thoroughly. Don't let it dry on the car.

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-an ... d_726.html

 

[Anonymous]

This iron X and you don't dilute it. juat spray on, leave for 3-4 minutes to see it do its thing then rinse thoroughly. Don't let it dry on the car.

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-an ... d_726.html

Its out of stock...........ARE YOU ON COMMISSION :lol: :lol:

All i get is iron x snow soap :eusa-think: when googled

 

[RCZ1]

ok, try here - its in stock

http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/acatalog/I ... tle_1.html

 

[Anonymous]

I was disappointed not to see the fantastic results that others have seen using Iron X. Perhaps Scotland just has cleaner air...(being as how it's God's country)? :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

I was disappointed not to see the fantastic results that others have seen using Iron X. Perhaps Scotland just has cleaner air...(being as how it's God's country)? :wink:

Rizz my ST's paint is rough and underneath the rear spoiler is covered in pin dot black spots as it very hard to access with your finger's

 

[RCZ1]

I was disappointed not to see the fantastic results that others have seen using Iron X. Perhaps Scotland just has cleaner air...(being as how it's God's country)? :wink:

Rizz my ST's paint is rough and underneath the rear spoiler is covered in pin dot black spots as it very hard to access with your finger's

You need Tardis then not Iron X :thumbup: Although you probably going to need both especially on white.

 

[Anonymous]

This iron X and you don't dilute it. juat spray on, leave for 3-4 minutes to see it do its thing then rinse thoroughly. Don't let it dry on the car.

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-an ... d_726.html

Brill Stuff :thumbup:

 

[Anonymous]

I was disappointed not to see the fantastic results that others have seen using Iron X. Perhaps Scotland just has cleaner air...(being as how it's God's country)? :wink:

Rizz my ST's paint is rough and underneath the rear spoiler is covered in pin dot black spots as it very hard to access with your finger's

As RCZ1 says (and she's the forum authority on such things), sounds like you have tar spots and Tardis or Auto Finesse's ObliTARate will get easily get rid of that for you.

 

[Anonymous]

...put some additional wax on one half of the boot lid to see how the wax on top looks and behaves during that bad-weather-time.

Thanks again :thumbup:

Good idea Tom. Be interesting to see the results. Which wax are you intending to use out of interest?

It's called Finish Kare 1000P Hi-Temp Paste Wax. I bought it to seal the alloys, but tried it last winter also on the car itself and was quite happy with the result.

 

[RCZ1]

...put some additional wax on one half of the boot lid to see how the wax on top looks and behaves during that bad-weather-time.

Thanks again :thumbup:

Good idea Tom. Be interesting to see the results. Which wax are you intending to use out of interest?

It's called Finish Kare 1000P Hi-Temp Paste Wax. I bought it to seal the alloys, but tried it last winter also on the car itself and was quite happy with the result.

Oh yes, it's got great durability itself so will be interested to see which one lasts longest