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:eusa-think: :eusa-think: pretty quiet even absent have l missed something?
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I know RCZ1 had a week's ban, totally unjustified if you ask me, I don't know what the others think. That ban has gone now and possibly 2 of our best members. I've learned a lot from Kerry on the cleaning side of things and Ron has stepped in and invented a tool to get round the jacking problem much to his credit.
(A) Put it this way if they don't come back there will be no more Yorkshire meet up's as I think Kerry sorts them.
(B) There will be no more help in cleaning questions and no more offers of sample products and recommendations of products
(C) No more jacking aids for those who are new and face all the woes they save.
I'm sure there's more reasons.
Surely saving one to the detriment of the greater can't be right, can it?
(A) Put it this way if they don't come back there will be no more Yorkshire meet up's as I think Kerry sorts them.
(B) There will be no more help in cleaning questions and no more offers of sample products and recommendations of products
(C) No more jacking aids for those who are new and face all the woes they save.
I'm sure there's more reasons.
Surely saving one to the detriment of the greater can't be right, can it?
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Pretty sure that Ron has jacked it in "pardon the pun" because of Kerry's ban then seriously though sorry to hear this,hope they have a change of mind
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Ron's already given up thanks to wrapper and rcz1 won't be back even after her ban she's had enough of him too 
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Such a shame that these 2 have left and that others are quiet. You can clearly see how it has affected the forum recently, it's almost like a ghost town and all because of some numpties that just want to troll and spoil other people's enjoyment of this once great but still helpful forum. They must lead a very sad and lonely existence! (Of course I don't mean Ron or Kerry)
Just goes to show that the way people are dealt with on here DOES NOT WORK!!!
Just goes to show that the way people are dealt with on here DOES NOT WORK!!!
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To be honest, Kerry's ban was absolutely ridiculous. After reading what she was banned for I seriously contemplated my membership on the forum (not that I'd be a massive loss)
I think if a certain troll comes back all you can do is report every single comment, hopefully admin will get the hint. Wrong people have been punished in my opinion.
Massive loss to the forum in terms of not only knowledge, but for everything else they bring. Don't forget those who ever got waxy box can thank Kerry for their 10% discount she organised for us all.
I think if a certain troll comes back all you can do is report every single comment, hopefully admin will get the hint. Wrong people have been punished in my opinion.
Massive loss to the forum in terms of not only knowledge, but for everything else they bring. Don't forget those who ever got waxy box can thank Kerry for their 10% discount she organised for us all.
hanswuk
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I've made a few posts along these lines. I believe it would have been better if Kerry and Ron (and Sharon also?) hadn't reacted in the way they did against wrapper because I think it probably egged him on. Sometimes it's better to ignore a prat rather than react to him..... All the same they did what they did and Evil Derboy banned them all which I believe was totally the wrong decision. He said he wanted the forum to be more edgy and less cliquey but in the process he's lost some of it's best and most friendly and helpful contributors. As a result this forum is not what it was. Perhaps an apology and an invitation back would be in order? Also a permanent ban for wrapper/kamisnski/mendy etc. ?
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Snowy87 said:
Defo Snowy she put the RCZ OUT THERE on the net,there's no cleek on this forum just buddy's who make a unique forum,l aint going to get all cleeky :lol: but as all have said its much to the detriment too this forum :thumbdown:
After being banned,how some person can come back on this forum with different email address's is easily done,but this person was soon recognisable to all regular members INSTANTLY even after IT had posted a few posts
"IT" should have been Banned instantly BEFORE any provocation ensued.
As we all knew who IT WAS...
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It is like a ghost town here and I'm winding down on the amount of time I spend here. The reason simply is because of Wrapper.
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I think sadly it cannot be reversed
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Thing is, I don't even need to be here anymore...nor does the like of Rizz, Chuzz, Jassy and others. We've all moved on from our RCZs but we enjoyed being in this forum. Luckily I'm still in touch with the "good uns" ....we've developed friendships through our love of this great motor and I hope these friendships continue.
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Ok. I've kept a low profile on this for a while now but I think it's time I clear up a few things. What I'm about to say will probably only further alienate those that already agree with RCZ1's and Ron's self-imposed exile but at least the many people who have PM'd me and those who aren't so closely allied to those members can understand what's happening and why we're at where we are.
Mendy
Firstly let’s put the issue of Mendy to bed once and for all as this will be quick to cover. Mendy is not Wrapper. I have proof of this that I’m not going to share with the forum, as doing so would involve me making personal and identifying information available. Whether Mendy and Wrapper have a relationship outside of the forum is their business but they are not the same person.
The Forum
Next, let’s look at the forum as a whole. It’s currently dominated by a small subset of users with very high post counts. Many of whom have been here from the start. When I took over, I took a long time to assess the set-up and where it was going. Through time, I realised that there needed to be an adjustment. If you remember the “Unfriendly thread” that came into being in February of 2013 (don’t bother looking it up, it was deleted), a number of members complained that the site was very cliquey. After a year spent quietly evaluating the site I came to the same conclusion. Many new users (and those users who are used to car forums) brought discussions to the fore that seemed alien or disagreeable to the clique consisting of a few of these “origin” members and found themselves frequently drowned out by said members.
Because of this, the forum has remained static since its inception. The member numbers are not really growing the way they should be and in particular the number of members who join up and actively participate is not very high and never has been. I have owned and run a number of car forums in the past and each has grown into a multi-faceted community that has various groups who each like different things and discuss different things. This isn’t really being allowed to happen here. An extension of that is when I get PMs from some of these “origin” members demanding that I ban people for saying things that they don’t like (and I’m not necessarily talking about Wrapper). This is ludicrous and I will not ban people for being argumentative or disagreeable. It’s an open forum and people should be able to discuss what they like with like-minded individuals without being drowned out by someone with a Megaphone just because they were here first.
As long as people are adhering to the site rules then all are welcome. Those that don’t like this approach will most likely find that online car forums aren’t really for them. The problem is that in this site, those people have found a nice home and now that I’m taking corrective action, that home is being demolished. I’m sorry about that, but this forum is not a cosy wee online extension for 5 to 10 people to hang out in (and block anyone who doesn’t conform to the party line). Because of this change in direction (and it’s not really a change, I’m really just policing the rules) certain people will choose to no longer be a part of the community. That’s a shame but I don’t run this for the benefit of the few. It’s for the benefit of the many.
The Rules…
Apply to everyone. No exceptions. As for some of the disagreements about RZC1’s ban, is it really fair to say this:
does not apply to her because she’s really nice, but Wrapper should be hammered because he’s a pain in the arse to some people? Would that not cement the suspicion that there is a clique? "Oh that person should be exempt from the rules because they do this and that etc etc..."
If the rules are not unilaterally applied to all, then precedents are set and they become unenforceable. "Well Member X got away with it on Y thread so why should I be punished?" It all just leads to accusations of favouritism and the presence of a forum "elite" or "establishment". Hence the reason that the rules will be applied to all with no exceptions. I apologise that this hasn't always been the case in the past.
Wrapper
Kaminski should never have been banned. The correct process was not followed. End of story. So I allowed Wrapper to remain, but the correct process IS now being followed and if Wrapper choses to break the rules again then his next strike will be for a month and then a permanent ban. After that he’ll be unable to post under this or any other username. It doesn’t take long for me to find out if someone has re-joined under a different pseudonym. Once you’re banned permanently, you’re banned for good BUT the correct process has to be followed so that it is fair for all and that people have a chance to reflect and decide if they want to change their ways.
My presence
I’m pretty much on here every day. I don’t really get actively involved as I don’t own an RCZ and never have. My plans to purchase one for my wife have been laid to rest thanks to the impending birth of our second child. So frankly there are limited times that I can really add anything of value to the mix. Just because I don’t post that often doesn’t mean I’m not here or not taking an interest.
Conclusion
I’m sorry that some of you are unhappy by the current events but the fact is people come and go from car forums eventually when they change marque’s and models. Some hang on for longer than others but usually it’s only a matter of time. I can’t build a site on the basis that it pleases 10 people and alienates a thousand. What happens when those ten folks are long gone?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to take part as long as the rules are followed. If you’re unhappy with that and feel that people should be censored for not conforming to the status quo of some of the “origin” members or anyone else, then I’m afraid that this site is probably not for you. However if many of you are simply unhappy that Wrapper is being disruptive then I suspect many of you will be happier when that situation resolves itself (either by him following the rules or being permanently excluded).
Mendy
Firstly let’s put the issue of Mendy to bed once and for all as this will be quick to cover. Mendy is not Wrapper. I have proof of this that I’m not going to share with the forum, as doing so would involve me making personal and identifying information available. Whether Mendy and Wrapper have a relationship outside of the forum is their business but they are not the same person.
The Forum
Next, let’s look at the forum as a whole. It’s currently dominated by a small subset of users with very high post counts. Many of whom have been here from the start. When I took over, I took a long time to assess the set-up and where it was going. Through time, I realised that there needed to be an adjustment. If you remember the “Unfriendly thread” that came into being in February of 2013 (don’t bother looking it up, it was deleted), a number of members complained that the site was very cliquey. After a year spent quietly evaluating the site I came to the same conclusion. Many new users (and those users who are used to car forums) brought discussions to the fore that seemed alien or disagreeable to the clique consisting of a few of these “origin” members and found themselves frequently drowned out by said members.
Because of this, the forum has remained static since its inception. The member numbers are not really growing the way they should be and in particular the number of members who join up and actively participate is not very high and never has been. I have owned and run a number of car forums in the past and each has grown into a multi-faceted community that has various groups who each like different things and discuss different things. This isn’t really being allowed to happen here. An extension of that is when I get PMs from some of these “origin” members demanding that I ban people for saying things that they don’t like (and I’m not necessarily talking about Wrapper). This is ludicrous and I will not ban people for being argumentative or disagreeable. It’s an open forum and people should be able to discuss what they like with like-minded individuals without being drowned out by someone with a Megaphone just because they were here first.
As long as people are adhering to the site rules then all are welcome. Those that don’t like this approach will most likely find that online car forums aren’t really for them. The problem is that in this site, those people have found a nice home and now that I’m taking corrective action, that home is being demolished. I’m sorry about that, but this forum is not a cosy wee online extension for 5 to 10 people to hang out in (and block anyone who doesn’t conform to the party line). Because of this change in direction (and it’s not really a change, I’m really just policing the rules) certain people will choose to no longer be a part of the community. That’s a shame but I don’t run this for the benefit of the few. It’s for the benefit of the many.
The Rules…
Apply to everyone. No exceptions. As for some of the disagreements about RZC1’s ban, is it really fair to say this:
does not apply to her because she’s really nice, but Wrapper should be hammered because he’s a pain in the arse to some people? Would that not cement the suspicion that there is a clique? "Oh that person should be exempt from the rules because they do this and that etc etc..."
If the rules are not unilaterally applied to all, then precedents are set and they become unenforceable. "Well Member X got away with it on Y thread so why should I be punished?" It all just leads to accusations of favouritism and the presence of a forum "elite" or "establishment". Hence the reason that the rules will be applied to all with no exceptions. I apologise that this hasn't always been the case in the past.
Wrapper
Kaminski should never have been banned. The correct process was not followed. End of story. So I allowed Wrapper to remain, but the correct process IS now being followed and if Wrapper choses to break the rules again then his next strike will be for a month and then a permanent ban. After that he’ll be unable to post under this or any other username. It doesn’t take long for me to find out if someone has re-joined under a different pseudonym. Once you’re banned permanently, you’re banned for good BUT the correct process has to be followed so that it is fair for all and that people have a chance to reflect and decide if they want to change their ways.
My presence
I’m pretty much on here every day. I don’t really get actively involved as I don’t own an RCZ and never have. My plans to purchase one for my wife have been laid to rest thanks to the impending birth of our second child. So frankly there are limited times that I can really add anything of value to the mix. Just because I don’t post that often doesn’t mean I’m not here or not taking an interest.
Conclusion
I’m sorry that some of you are unhappy by the current events but the fact is people come and go from car forums eventually when they change marque’s and models. Some hang on for longer than others but usually it’s only a matter of time. I can’t build a site on the basis that it pleases 10 people and alienates a thousand. What happens when those ten folks are long gone?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to take part as long as the rules are followed. If you’re unhappy with that and feel that people should be censored for not conforming to the status quo of some of the “origin” members or anyone else, then I’m afraid that this site is probably not for you. However if many of you are simply unhappy that Wrapper is being disruptive then I suspect many of you will be happier when that situation resolves itself (either by him following the rules or being permanently excluded).
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Bye bye forum :waving hands:
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Snowy87 said:
No its never too late. We had similar things happen on the MG Rover forums over time.
The thing with forums is that they are only as successful or as useful as the posts in them and those that usefully contribute a lot are generally small in number and a consistent presence.
I agree with ED that no one should be exempt from the rules and perhaps we should make better use of the option to hide posts of those we dont want to see.
But we have lost a lot of good posters this year, lost a lot of technical knowledge and lost people who made a genuine contribution to the forum.
The value of the forum for the "thousand"will be greatly diminished if the most useful contributers go elsewhere
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Figo said:
in time others will pick up the mantle that are more used to and comfortable with the current set up.
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Mr Administrator, you seem to forget Kerry wouldn't go out of her way to provoke you to ban her , so does the possibility of your benefit of doubt and character assessment come into play at all? She is after all only human, ask yourself Have you/ do you ever get vexed at someone who gets under your skin? I know I have it's only natural after time to react. When the provocation is just for someone's "Kicks" then there's nothing you can do or say as any reaction good or bad is seized and turned back to the individual and the target is aimed in on.
I wouldn't want your job on this site for all the tea in China , and thank you for running the forum but general thought on here is you are wrong on this subject and now we are all suffering from the judgement handed down.
I don't do clique's and hate the "it's not what you know but who" way of life but standing up for someone who only offers good positive life views isn't following a leader for me it's just the realization of the good in someone.
Thank-you.
I wouldn't want your job on this site for all the tea in China , and thank you for running the forum but general thought on here is you are wrong on this subject and now we are all suffering from the judgement handed down.
I don't do clique's and hate the "it's not what you know but who" way of life but standing up for someone who only offers good positive life views isn't following a leader for me it's just the realization of the good in someone.
Thank-you.
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thackers said:
All good points but one could also argue that someone with Kerry's experience should know better. Also if I don't apply the rules to everyone how can I apply them to anyone? I banned Kerry and two others temporarily as per the site rules for infractions that are clearly mentioned in said site rules. It also pretty clearly states in those rules that you shouldn't allow yourself to be baited. This is the way it is guys. The rules will be applied to everyone regardless of popularity or status.
Like it or not. Its the only way the site can be fairly run for ALL.
tianorth
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This Forum was set up to enable anyone who has, was/is thinking about getting an RCZ a place to come to get much needed information.
It’s the members that are actively involved in this that have the information, some in part, some have info in certain areas, but I bet this is the best place to get it from.
People on this forum should realise that these rules should have been enforced from the beginning, and as they have not, they are now being enforced, not an envious job to say the least, but the rules are the same for each member.
The ban is a punishment for not following the rules, whether it was instigated by the person or not.
Yes it would be a sad loss for the forum for a temporarily banned user not to come back to the forum to offer their insight and views.
I hope that the people who received bans will come back and join in again, but also be more mindful of the rules (just like when your caught speeding :law-policered: – the first few days afterwards you are watching your speedo very carefully)
Like everyone they have a choice, to use the forum to help/guide other forum users in their time of need, or not.
I would prefer that they were about.
But I also agree with bans for breaking rules.
I hope no one is offended by my opinion.
Chris
It’s the members that are actively involved in this that have the information, some in part, some have info in certain areas, but I bet this is the best place to get it from.
People on this forum should realise that these rules should have been enforced from the beginning, and as they have not, they are now being enforced, not an envious job to say the least, but the rules are the same for each member.
The ban is a punishment for not following the rules, whether it was instigated by the person or not.
Yes it would be a sad loss for the forum for a temporarily banned user not to come back to the forum to offer their insight and views.
I hope that the people who received bans will come back and join in again, but also be more mindful of the rules (just like when your caught speeding :law-policered: – the first few days afterwards you are watching your speedo very carefully)
Like everyone they have a choice, to use the forum to help/guide other forum users in their time of need, or not.
I would prefer that they were about.
But I also agree with bans for breaking rules.
I hope no one is offended by my opinion.
Chris
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My Side .... !
This post is to put my own thoughts forward as I felt I needed to speak for myself as many other people have had their say. This is meant to be an honest and frank opinion of how I see things.
I'd like to thank the many people who have emailed me their good wishes and support during my absence and the kind words posted on the forum in other threads too.
The Ban
Firstly, Derek was right to ban me. I did break the forum rules and it's not something I'm particularly proud of. Constant niggles wore me down and I'd had enough. The person concerned was ruining the forum with what were inane and unhelpful snide comments. Not least ruining my For Sale thread. So yes I did break forum rules.
However, having said that I would need to ask
1. Why suddenly were the rules adhered to after letting so many other rule breakers through?
What better make to make a statement then to ban an ex Mod !
2. If the rules were being adhered to why wasn't Thackers banned too for abusive language and posting something akin to what I got banned for? (I don't want him banned, I really don't, I'm just using his post as an example).
3. Why did it take so long for my ban to be instigated?
A full 24 hours passed before I was banned following my post. It is stated that members should report any posts that they feel are inappropriate. Why? Surely the role of a Mod is to read ALL posts (I certainly made a point of doing so), and to take any necessary steps if they fall outside of the rules. Other Mods saw and read my post, yet did or said nothing. Is it because their hands are tied?
4. Creating / having more than one user account - its clearly written in the rules that this is not allowed, yet it was allowed to happen and ferment and lands the forum where it is today, akin to a once beautiful luxury cruiser, listing and half submerged.... Which leads me on to...
Karpinski / wrapper
I note that Derek has stated that Karpinski should not have been banned because correct procedures were not followed. This statement says to me that the Mods did not do their jobs properly and in part weakens their positions should similar members appear on the forum in the future. It probably won't come as a surprise that I was the Mod that carried out the final ban however that came about following the "three strikes and you're out" forum rule. Furthermore, I or any of the Mods, never took any decision like this lightly. In fact we discussed it openly and in depth, in the Mods section of the Forum, at each and every stage. At all times it was there for ED to see and discuss if necessary. Never were our decisions questioned at any stage. All the Mods felt they were acting in the best interests of the forum.
The "Oldies"
There are some members who have been on the forum almost since its inception. Me included. I have enjoyed my time here immensely (until recent months). I've seen it grow into a great forum. It is the best place to find out information on the RCZ with some very knowledgeable members, in all areas, and their wealth of knowledge should continue to be unearthed and shared. I've also had the great pleasure to meet many, many fellow RCZ members through various Meets as well as "talking" to members through PMs. Friendships have been formed and it's only natural that banter develops between these members on the forum. I don't know why but this seems to be frowned upon on the forum when in actual fact, it should be celebrated. This is one of the friendliest forums I have ever had the pleasure of being a member of. It's almost as if, if you have a high post count, then you are deemed to be part of a clique. I don't believe that. I've never been part of a clique. Just a friendly society. You only have to look at the number of non RCZ owners that are still here on the forum, despite having sold their cars, because it's friendly. Indeed one of the Mods is one such person.
I never found the forum unfriendly. In fact the thread ED refers to was instigated by a former banned member with a grudge! And who terrorised a female forum member and myself. In fact I always went out of my way to make new members feel welcome, much like most other members. I always wanted new members to feel welcome and to join in because lets face it, there aren't that many regular posters on here. Despite its quite high member count, many only join and post when they have a problem with their RCZ. Once it's resolved they disappear again, in the main. I don't personally believe that's down to the forum or it's members, I think many RCZ drivers have never been on a forum before and either don't like using them or how they work. I can't see that they were "drowned out". As ED has said in the past, they should develop a back bone. Forums are about opinions after all and we all aren't going to agree with one another but I think I speak for most when I say, if posts are constructive and informative, that's all people want. Not to have threads trolled at every opportunity. That's why this forum looks like a ghost town at the moment.
The way forward
ED has set out his stall and as long as he AND the Mods, moderate the forum correctly, which includes people who are merely here to troll and cause disruption (another forum rule), then this forum will recover from the sorry state it's in at the moment, but it will take time.
The forum, I believe, also needs to give something back to its members. For me, it doesn't encourage members to stay or return on a regular basis. Something as simple as a competition with a prize for the winner, might conjure up a bit of excitement now and again. In order for the forum to progress it needs something to come from the Mods/Admin. Other forums I'm members of, regularly have Mods organising something to keep it fresh. It's not all about the members. Something has to come from within the hub, otherwise it goes stale.
No doubt some people won't like this post but then we can't please all the people all of the time. It is how I see things and it's honest.
On a personal level, the whole affair has left a rather sour taste in my mouth so I'll say Adios. I apologise to those members I will be letting down, for that I am truly sorry.
My email address is on the forum so I'm open to contact that way. I'm sure I will be able to stay in contact with many of you, one way or another via various online social media sites, etc.
Oh and I'll do my level best to organise the 4th Yorkshire Meet in 2015.
It's been nice knowing you all.
Safe driving !
This post is to put my own thoughts forward as I felt I needed to speak for myself as many other people have had their say. This is meant to be an honest and frank opinion of how I see things.
I'd like to thank the many people who have emailed me their good wishes and support during my absence and the kind words posted on the forum in other threads too.
The Ban
Firstly, Derek was right to ban me. I did break the forum rules and it's not something I'm particularly proud of. Constant niggles wore me down and I'd had enough. The person concerned was ruining the forum with what were inane and unhelpful snide comments. Not least ruining my For Sale thread. So yes I did break forum rules.
However, having said that I would need to ask
1. Why suddenly were the rules adhered to after letting so many other rule breakers through?
What better make to make a statement then to ban an ex Mod !
2. If the rules were being adhered to why wasn't Thackers banned too for abusive language and posting something akin to what I got banned for? (I don't want him banned, I really don't, I'm just using his post as an example).
3. Why did it take so long for my ban to be instigated?
A full 24 hours passed before I was banned following my post. It is stated that members should report any posts that they feel are inappropriate. Why? Surely the role of a Mod is to read ALL posts (I certainly made a point of doing so), and to take any necessary steps if they fall outside of the rules. Other Mods saw and read my post, yet did or said nothing. Is it because their hands are tied?
4. Creating / having more than one user account - its clearly written in the rules that this is not allowed, yet it was allowed to happen and ferment and lands the forum where it is today, akin to a once beautiful luxury cruiser, listing and half submerged.... Which leads me on to...
Karpinski / wrapper
I note that Derek has stated that Karpinski should not have been banned because correct procedures were not followed. This statement says to me that the Mods did not do their jobs properly and in part weakens their positions should similar members appear on the forum in the future. It probably won't come as a surprise that I was the Mod that carried out the final ban however that came about following the "three strikes and you're out" forum rule. Furthermore, I or any of the Mods, never took any decision like this lightly. In fact we discussed it openly and in depth, in the Mods section of the Forum, at each and every stage. At all times it was there for ED to see and discuss if necessary. Never were our decisions questioned at any stage. All the Mods felt they were acting in the best interests of the forum.
The "Oldies"
There are some members who have been on the forum almost since its inception. Me included. I have enjoyed my time here immensely (until recent months). I've seen it grow into a great forum. It is the best place to find out information on the RCZ with some very knowledgeable members, in all areas, and their wealth of knowledge should continue to be unearthed and shared. I've also had the great pleasure to meet many, many fellow RCZ members through various Meets as well as "talking" to members through PMs. Friendships have been formed and it's only natural that banter develops between these members on the forum. I don't know why but this seems to be frowned upon on the forum when in actual fact, it should be celebrated. This is one of the friendliest forums I have ever had the pleasure of being a member of. It's almost as if, if you have a high post count, then you are deemed to be part of a clique. I don't believe that. I've never been part of a clique. Just a friendly society. You only have to look at the number of non RCZ owners that are still here on the forum, despite having sold their cars, because it's friendly. Indeed one of the Mods is one such person.
I never found the forum unfriendly. In fact the thread ED refers to was instigated by a former banned member with a grudge! And who terrorised a female forum member and myself. In fact I always went out of my way to make new members feel welcome, much like most other members. I always wanted new members to feel welcome and to join in because lets face it, there aren't that many regular posters on here. Despite its quite high member count, many only join and post when they have a problem with their RCZ. Once it's resolved they disappear again, in the main. I don't personally believe that's down to the forum or it's members, I think many RCZ drivers have never been on a forum before and either don't like using them or how they work. I can't see that they were "drowned out". As ED has said in the past, they should develop a back bone. Forums are about opinions after all and we all aren't going to agree with one another but I think I speak for most when I say, if posts are constructive and informative, that's all people want. Not to have threads trolled at every opportunity. That's why this forum looks like a ghost town at the moment.
The way forward
ED has set out his stall and as long as he AND the Mods, moderate the forum correctly, which includes people who are merely here to troll and cause disruption (another forum rule), then this forum will recover from the sorry state it's in at the moment, but it will take time.
The forum, I believe, also needs to give something back to its members. For me, it doesn't encourage members to stay or return on a regular basis. Something as simple as a competition with a prize for the winner, might conjure up a bit of excitement now and again. In order for the forum to progress it needs something to come from the Mods/Admin. Other forums I'm members of, regularly have Mods organising something to keep it fresh. It's not all about the members. Something has to come from within the hub, otherwise it goes stale.
No doubt some people won't like this post but then we can't please all the people all of the time. It is how I see things and it's honest.
On a personal level, the whole affair has left a rather sour taste in my mouth so I'll say Adios. I apologise to those members I will be letting down, for that I am truly sorry.
My email address is on the forum so I'm open to contact that way. I'm sure I will be able to stay in contact with many of you, one way or another via various online social media sites, etc.
Oh and I'll do my level best to organise the 4th Yorkshire Meet in 2015.
It's been nice knowing you all.
Safe driving !
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I've merged RCZ1's new topic with this one so that everything is in the same place and thought my comments might be useful:
Simply because I wasn't spending as much time on the site and allowed it to get into this mess. I'm now correcting that.
He should have been but it wasn't brought to my attention by anyone and I personally didn't spot it. That will happen sometimes, unfortunately.
Then I've got someone PMing me that this:
Is a personal attack and the person should be banned. There's nothing offensive in the above and I've no doubt that the person PM'd me simply to stick up for his pal against an "invader". The constant post reports from folks making much ado about nothing simply because they don't like what someone has said are tiresome and I just delete them as they DO NOT break any rules. It's just a club of people looking to get rid of someone. It's tit for tat nonsense.
RCZ1 said:
Simply because I wasn't spending as much time on the site and allowed it to get into this mess. I'm now correcting that.
RCZ1 said:
He should have been but it wasn't brought to my attention by anyone and I personally didn't spot it. That will happen sometimes, unfortunately.
I'm not on here 24/7 and I don't want anyone else dishing out bannings (even temporary) ones until I'm confident that we're all on the same page.RCZ1 said:
I've already covered this and the reason for allowing it in my earlier post.RCZ1 said:
Actually both he and Mendy were permanently banned before I was aware of what's happening. If the mod's didn't do their jobs properly it's because I allowed them to handle things with minimal input from me and without drawing their attention to enforcing the rules. Kaminsky should not have been banned in the manner that it occurred and that's my fault. I have a feeling that Wrapper is not long for the forum unless he changes his ways, but the correct procedure will be followed.RCZ1 said:
I've no issue with friendships developing but what happens on occasion is that someone comes along with an opinion and one of said oldies disagrees and then two or three of their pals jump in and agree just because of their relationship. The person who ventured the differing opinion is alienated and retreats. Some of the "Oldies" simply need to be more open minded in their consideration of others points of view. This thread is a good example: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8286&hilit=HID - Ron's reaction that the thread should be removed is quite frankly, farcical.RCZ1 said:
Then I've got someone PMing me that this:
Is a personal attack and the person should be banned. There's nothing offensive in the above and I've no doubt that the person PM'd me simply to stick up for his pal against an "invader". The constant post reports from folks making much ado about nothing simply because they don't like what someone has said are tiresome and I just delete them as they DO NOT break any rules. It's just a club of people looking to get rid of someone. It's tit for tat nonsense.
Great points which I fully take on board.RCZ1 said:
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