For all R owners...a must read!

[Anonymous]

Hi all,

Well, I had a very interesting call from my local pug garage this afternoon. My R was booked in to have a look at the brakes again. Anyway, he told me that he had just recieved a technical direction from peugeot that all R's are to be given new brake pads. He said they won't have them until the 26th and will be fitted to my R that week.

I don't know whether peugeot have finally realised too many of us are having problems with our squealing brakes and due to this bring their premium car, they have decided to do something about it....we can but hope.

Anyway, maybe give your dealer a call in the morning to see what they are saying about this.

 

[stagger321]

Hi all,

Well, I had a very interesting call from my local pug garage this afternoon. My R was booked in to have a look at the brakes again. Anyway, he told me that he had just recieved a technical direction from peugeot that all R's are to be given new brake pads. He said they won't have them until the 26th and will be fitted to my R that week.

I don't know whether peugeot have finally realised too many of us are having problems with our squealing brakes and due to this bring their premium car, they have decided to do something about it....we can but hope.

Anyway, maybe give your dealer a call in the morning to see what they are saying about this.

Thanks for the update mate. Will check with my dealer tomorrow.
Ta. :beer:

 

[Abzynthe]

Make sure you get some use out of the ones you've got then

 

[renegade79]

Make sure you get some use out of the ones you've got then

Ha ha :lol:

 

[TAC]

Make sure you get some use out of the ones you've got then

As I have only done a thousand miles in four months I shall wait until first service is due.
It will give the buggers something to do :eusa-whistle:

 

[RCZ-R]

Hi all,

Well, I had a very interesting call from my local pug garage this afternoon. My R was booked in to have a look at the brakes again. Anyway, he told me that he had just recieved a technical direction from peugeot that all R's are to be given new brake pads. He said they won't have them until the 26th and will be fitted to my R that week.

I don't know whether peugeot have finally realised too many of us are having problems with our squealing brakes and due to this bring their premium car, they have decided to do something about it....we can but hope.

Anyway, maybe give your dealer a call in the morning to see what they are saying about this.

I can confirm that. On my R there were wrong pads causing overheating and pad-to-disc transfer. Additionally the pads had extensive wear-off.

By the time I picked my R up at the dealer it had some Performance Friction pads on it. Now pug has switched to Ferodo DS Performance pads on the R. They work a lot better than those before.

 

[the big blue]

Hi all you fortunate owners of the "R" ,,I myself make do with 200 stallions well fed with pedigree Shell Nitro plus :greetings-wavingblue:

..hearing of your recall for brake pads concerns me, surely fitting decent functional pads at the production stage cannot be that difficult UNLESS they have sourced the cheapest of the cheap and had them badged "Peugeot/Citroen" in order to keep the cost down. The latter regardless of quality considerations for their most powerful production engined car of course! If so and its pointing that way then this is wrong on many counts. I wonder whether this is yet another fault that won't be done as an official Manufacturers Recall as they don't like to admit any known faults ,,let alone air them publicly !! ,,AND will most likely be a case of he/she who shouts the loudest gets parts & labour free. :thumbdown:

I know that each time what many would consider to be a recognised fault Peugeot themselves Do Not even when ultimately many have it resolved free of charge when they challenge the Dealer and then Peugeot Customer Services. It is the nature and number of these faults that will always mean that the Peugeot Z' does not in the Trade rank up against the competition whereupon the car is not merely judged on its looks and has the TT owners smugly looking at us as they do ! :eusa-think:

Its bad enough driving in constant fear of an error message (temp sensor etc) being displayed, the sat nav screen flickering, sub standard jacking points, AND now for flagship owners most probably having CHEAP dodgy brake pads ! :shock:

I know that some Z' owners won't agree with what I have said BUT it is in part fuelled as a result of my engine management light illuminating and I do not accept the Friday car nonsense unless Magna Steyr only make Z's on Fridays. :lol: The last time I had a car (Alfa Romeo) that caused me so many concerns whether Actual OR Imagined I decided never again, so heres hoping that my imminent £54.74 plus VAT diagnostic does not ultimately prove to painful so as to push me over the edge as other Z' owners have regrettably been. I came from a Celica and the GT86's are becoming more affordable AND have 'Toyota' brand pedigree ,,its a case of whether the Subaru flat four whispers ,,toyota also :?:

.the big blue (..asking the Speaker if Peugeot themselves can be put before a select committee to answer) :clap:

 

[pete.garratt]

The key issue here is to get hold of an official Peugeot reference and/or a copy of the actual document. This makes it harder to be fobbed off.

Any chance you'd post a scanned copy of the letter you received? Personal details blanked out, of course.

 

[Anonymous]

The dealer telephoned me yesterday to update as my car was due to go in on Monday. I will give him a call today and see what I can find out etc.

 

[RCZ-R]

The key issue here is to get hold of an official Peugeot reference and/or a copy of the actual document. This makes it harder to be fobbed off.

Any chance you'd post a scanned copy of the letter you received? Personal details blanked out, of course.

In my case, there was a side note visible on the pug's service workstation. But the dealer was not keen to hand out anything to me.

And towards that post here about cheap pads on the R. To the contrary, the R was equipped with very expensive pads within the first charge of R's. Just google Performance Friction pads and have a look at the prices.
Switching towards Ferodo is a step down, price-wise only, not performance-related.

Based on my own experience with those first pads I'd say they just did not fit perfectly to the Alcon discs. That is the only issue with them. And I welcome Pug Sport efforts to constantly improve the car :thumbup:

 

[stagger321]

Just phoned my dealer. Said they know nothing about this.
As I am having my oil leak (other thread) being fixed under warranty in 4 weeks time, and having a 1st service at same time, I could do with this sorted too.
Obviously the dealer will only do so if instructed by Peugeot, so as asked above would appreciate someone posting what they have obtained from their dealer (minus personal details of course).
Thanks

 

[Anonymous]

Hi,
The bulletin is on their technical page and was added in December 2014. My dealer found it because they were looking for guidance on my squealing brakes and my dealer told me the following:

It basically States...If an R has squealing brakes and they are of a certain batch number, they have recognised that the pads fitted are causing this and have decided to change the pads. He also said that everyone whose within this batch will be notified.

So, I think it is worth anyone with an R, especially if you have squealing brakes to get your dealer to check their technical page update from Peugeot.

I will try and get a copy of this from my dealer to help....I'm sure though if they have decided to do this it should be on the Vosa website???

 

[the big blue]

Hi RCZ-R :greetings-wavingblue:

It was me who made the mention of cheap dodgy pads and I am suitably shamed and corrected! The issue that I was wanting to express is that such things should not occur as brakes and correctly matched pads are an issue that I would expect to have been sorted out pre production as it is not OR should not be a difficult issue. The important thing is that Peugeot are recognising it AND hopefully those with the R will all get their pads changed without much aggravation providing that the Dealers are suitably advised without the owners having to educate them ! :beer:

.the big blue (..still wondering what my illuminated engine management light will entail) :?:

 

[RCZ-R]

Hi RCZ-R :greetings-wavingblue:

It was me who made the mention of cheap dodgy pads and I am suitably shamed and corrected! The issue that I was wanting to express is that such things should not occur as brakes and correctly matched pads are an issue that I would expect to have been sorted out pre production as it is not OR should not be a difficult issue. The important thing is that Peugeot are recognising it AND hopefully those with the R will all get their pads changed without much aggravation providing that the Dealers are suitably advised without the owners having to educate them ! :beer:

.the big blue (..still wondering what my illuminated engine management light will entail) :?:

hi big blue,
I totally agree with you. They'd have sorted it from the start. The thing is, those first batch pads worked very good on the race track (or when the car was driven in a race-track-equal mode, which means very hard and short braking periods with full force) but they did not work well on the autobahns, where you often have to slow down over a longer period with medium brake force. This is where they started to "overheat" and transfer pad material on to the discs causing this "warped" feeling.

With the Ferodo DS Performance pads all of this has been fixed. And the discs are fine.

The Ferodo cost over 250 quids the set, so ask your dealer for the service bulletin. Otherwise they won't replace them.

 

[the big blue]

Hi RCZ-R :greetings-wavingblue:

hopefully your post will greatly assist all R owners who are eligible to get the brake pad replacement, this especially as at £250 a set they are far from cheap ,,which I guess is in line with Peugeot's again expensive 235 40 19 tyre size choice !

.the big blue :beer:

 

[stagger321]

Hi RCZ-R :greetings-wavingblue:

hopefully your post will greatly assist all R owners who are eligible to get the brake pad replacement, this especially as at £250 a set they are far from cheap ,,which I guess is in line with Peugeot's again expensive 235 40 19 tyre size choice !

.the big blue :beer:

This may appear flippant Big Blue, but you buy a performance car - you expect to pay performance prices. Simples
This may be from a mainstream marque selling family hatchbacks, but the R goes quick, stops quick, and goes round corners quick.
So the components will have been spec'd to support that requirement.
I am not surprised that the tyres are not "normal" specs or prices either.
Yes, I'd rather pay less, and maybe its cheaper to flip the front and rears to keep wear even (jacking points permitting of course) and buy a set of 4 tyres of similar spec but cheaper than those fitted.

Peace. :beer:

 

[the big blue]

Hi Stagger 321 :greetings-wavingblue:

No I agree with you :thumbup: , what I question is why there was a need to fit such an unusual size tyre when other mainstream production performance cars are able to run with the generic common sizes and hence have a greater option, availability and at a reduced cost ! If there is a significant performance gain then I'm all for it but when its merely to be different then I'm not. I can understand when hyper performance cars run unusual/ unique sizes BUT not cars of our ilk when comparative sports coupes & cars all perform using tyre sizes from the vast array of standard tyres readily available. The selection of non standard sizes isn't of any true benefit it just means we have to pay more money for our tyres as cars with far more horses under the bonnet safely perform on the various mainstream sizes available without detriment.

Paying the price for the type of cars we have is part and parcel of ownership its when we pay over the odds for things due to them being non standard choices that have been selected purely for that reason is what makes me sigh as I open up my mothballed back benchers wallet !!!!! :beer:

.the big blue (..a back bencher who's now wondering how much the original fitment non Ferodo RCZ-R pads cost !)

 

[stagger321]

Hi Stagger 321 :greetings-wavingblue:

No I agree with you :thumbup: , what I question is why there was a need to fit such an unusual size tyre when other mainstream production performance cars are able to run with the generic common sizes and hence have a greater option, availability and at a reduced cost ! If there is a significant performance gain then I'm all for it but when its merely to be different then I'm not. I can understand when hyper performance cars run unusual/ unique sizes BUT not cars of our ilk when comparative sports coupes & cars all perform using tyre sizes from the vast array of standard tyres readily available. The selection of non standard sizes isn't of any true benefit it just means we have to pay more money for our tyres as cars with far more horses under the bonnet safely perform on the various mainstream sizes available without detriment.

Paying the price for the type of cars we have is part and parcel of ownership its when we pay over the odds for things due to them being non standard choices that have been selected purely for that reason is what makes me sigh as I open up my mothballed back benchers wallet !!!!! :beer:

.the big blue (..a back bencher who's now wondering how much the original fitment non Ferodo RCZ-R pads cost !)

I'm with you mate - believe me.
Who knows why they picked these sizes, but I suspect that its got a lot to do with the front wheel envelope available (bump to rebound, left to right lock). The R is after all has the same body geometry as all RCZs, which are then based on an early iteration of the 308.
They need to work round the brake and steering & suspension geometry and generate a package which provides enough rubber to accommodate 270bhp being delivered by the driveline and Torsen LSD.
Oh, and btw its all for low volumes.
TBH, the specs do not surprise me. Its not like these cars are built from new floorplan up for this task like the TT (mk2 & 3).
The only good news is that at least there are a few tyre manufacturers to choose from.

 

[the big blue]

Hi Stagger321 :greetings-wavingblue:

..CHEERS for the conversation as all things Z' are always great to discuss! :thumbup: . I've got a super sports bike and so with regards the Z's tyres I'm simply pleased that they last more than 3500 miles before becoming summer tyre slicks ! I've not had the pleasure in driving the R with all its extra horses stabled under the bonnet BUT guess its noticeable throughout the tacho sweep from zero to hero !! :eusa-shhh:

I do sometimes miss the step change in engine characteristics of a VVTI compared to the silky smooooooothe turbo engine NOT that I would let my Z' know of such treachery of course as it might trigger another engine sensor !! :lol:

.the big blue (..awaiting the next topic to stir my soul on the back benches UNLESS i can think of one !) :beer:

 

[Anonymous]

Has anyone had there brakes sorted , as my dealer is saying there is nothing from peugeot and my squealing brakes are because of car being out in all weathers and have gone rusty and I will have to pay for disc and pads to be skimmed - my R is only 10 months old !!!