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Finally the RCZR had a nice run out on some proper roads.

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I will do a full write up either today or tonight, but just had a weekend of driving the R from Manchester to North Wales and then off down through Wales to Buckinghamshire, I would have done it on a full tank but the 400ish miles would have been close to not having much fuel left in there, still up to the 300 mile point where I decided to put some more V power in, that was an average of just over 41mpg, and I wasnt exactly driving with economy in mind (how can you with those wonderful windy Welsh roads :D ).
Most of the cross country was along the delightful A487 and then the A470 before pushing down to the M4, still very impressed with the R, it handles like a dream and the suspension, even though firm is excellent at not ruining your spine on a long trip.

More to follow after I get some sleep :lol:
 
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Re: Finally the RCZR had a nice run out on some proper roads

Does any R owner own a GoPro? I'd love to see this car being given a tickle either on a track or (to the legal limit) on some decent roads by an actual owner rather than a member of the press.
 
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So this was the route taken, with a few minor changes to the start and finish and middle, I still went through
Crickhowell so that's the same.

http://www.viamichelin.co.uk/web/Ro...1.6&autoConso=6.8&villeConso=6&routeConso=5.6

The first part of the journey to one of my friends houses was quite steady, pretty much Motorway until hitting
Wales and then it was dual carridgeway, still the RCZ R did this with ease and pulled a steady 43-44mpg.
There are some nice country roads leading to their house but really it was only a few miles so not really worth
talking about.

Having then stayed over night and found that one of the cats decided my rear arch would make a nice scratching
pad (not happy, must get the cutting polish out and the buffer, should come out ok), I needed to make the trip
down towards Slough (for my sins).
The Sat Nav estimated this at around 6.25hrs and even though it wasn't the shortest or quickest, it was the more
interesting route.
Still not having topped the R up from part "A" of the journey, about 1/4 of a tank used up and an estimated 330
miles left in there, I decided to ensure there was atleast 1 Shell garage on the trip, hence off towards
Crickhowell.

The trip through Caernarfon and off towards Porthmadog was where most of the traffic was, it wasn't really until
after getting through Porthmadog that the roads changed into what can only be described as decent driving roads.
The countryside down the A470 is stunning, the R was right at home with the undulating roads, one of the major
issues that people thought the RCZ R would have on the initial test drives in France was that the suspension
would be too hard for the roads we have over here, well no, it really is perfect for them, the R had no issues
with the bumps and corners, the sticky Goodyear Eagles were confident inspiring and provided fantastic grip.
The brakes too had no difficulty or had any need to be worked too hard, some of this was down to traffic, once
passed though the roads were clear for several miles before meeting other vehicles. There were limited over
taking area's, the need for a straight road is a bit of a must as there were plenty of bikers out on Sunday and
they liked the open roads also, so clear, straight, 3rd gear and off with the fantastic sound of the engine as
you go above 5k rpm, its race type tone is very addictive and you just keep changing gear, the one thing you
don't notice is how quick you actually are going, its just change, change, change, oh brake a touch, the power
delivery is so linear that you have to keep an eye on the speedo, that combined with the engine note and it
could get you into trouble with the law.
Even with the bursts of accelleration the R was still pushing 40mpg, up and down hills (though most of it seemed
to be more in valley bottoms than top of hills) and the fact you don't need to be on the power all the time,
like say my old Subaru STI, made the drive even more enjoyable.

It would have been nice to put some footage up as Mrizzle pointed out, I am looking at a dash cam, but what
really did I find out about the R?
Well you just cannot believe it's a 1.6ltr engine, it's power band gives you enough umph to move you along
happily, though it loves to be revved, its not as lazy as some of the bigger engines you get but that is half
the fun, and the sound... amazing.
Then you have the brakes, my initial thoughts are that the pads feel a little lacking, the trouble is that I
didn't need to use them that hard, if I did then I probably wouldn't be complaining, still....
Then the steering, it really isn't bad, you turn it, the car turns, one thing that has been pointed out is the
comparison between the Megane RS and the RCZR, the Megane turns in better and is a better handling car, well I
don't think that is true, the R turns in when she needs to, I know as I mistimed a right then left over a
bridge, she turned in plenty quick enough there without getting out of shape.
What I do feel is that the steering is a little lacking feel on initial turn in, not a lot and you get use to
it but just for a gentle turn you know the car is turning but you just don't feel enough feedback from it, maybe
its because its Electrically Assisted Power Steering, the rest of the time I found it great, especially on the left, right, left type corners, flowing motions gave good feedback.

At the 299/300 mile mark (Crickhowell) I topped up with some more V power, having been sat (with the exception of a comfort break), I felt amazingly refreshed getting out of the seat, having slept on a hard mat on the floor the night before my back had a couple of aches before setting off, it felt good now. On the last part of the journey, the trip computer was showing 193 miles left in the tank with around 160 miles left to go, it was possible to do this but better safe than sorry, so just over 32 litres added and off on the rest of the trip, most of this was the M4 so only people rubber necking at accidents slowed me down.

Totally impressed with the R, I can only describe her as a flawed gem, the RCZ R isnt perfect but like anything its those imperfections that make it more fun to be with, I think my next adventure will have to be around those nice Scottish Highland roads and may involve a bit of camping, I shall have to see as I am a busy bunny up to Christmas and I don't want to do camping in winter in Scotland (oh well, may need a Hotel then).

Tony :D
 

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Re: Finally the RCZR had a nice run out on some proper roads

mrizzle said:
Does any R owner own a GoPro? I'd love to see this car being given a tickle either on a track or (to the legal limit) on some decent roads by an actual owner rather than a member of the press.

Yes, I do. Unfortunately I did not have time to make a run while my recent trip to the Alps. But another trip in the R is already in planning, so stay tuned for a spirited drive on video :beer:

But I don't want to hijack tony's thread here, so off to his story :greetings-wavingblue:
 

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Re: Finally the RCZR had a nice run out on some proper roads

Tony, thanks a lot for this write up! What a drive!

It's good to read from fellow owners about the R. You start to compare your input and output to what others register while driving her :) Just bear with me while I do that ;)

About those brakes: indeed, in everyday driving they feel quite normal. No hassle, no race-brakes squealing, nothing. They just work. But then, when you put some heat on them, they bite like a vivid cobra. The stopping power gets better and better the more heat you put on them. Also the initial bite starts to move higher in the pedal, just the way you need them when driving on the edge. I love them.
I had before some decent Brembo brakes on my cars. They also were great. But the Alcon stoppers are just so much more capable of transferring the energy into heat.
My advice, find a good B-side road and give them a proper spanking. They will come into life, will start making noises as they are free floating, all that stuff. But you will be astonished by their stopping power. The are brutal and only limited by the Goodyear tires.

The steering: our R has a hydraulic assisted steering. It is not a pure EPAS, like on the mentioned Megane RS. The steering feel on the Megane is a very unique one and hard to copy. Renault did the very first proper EPAS on the 2007 Megane R26. Since then they have mastered this topic. I have driven all the Golf GTI, Focus ST, Cupra, etc. They all cannot live up to the Megane's steering feel and confidence.
Our R has an even more direct steering than the Megane (I have driven both end to end) but the very first moments of steering wheel movement, when you aim for the apex, this moment seems to be detached from the actual steering reaction. But it is only a sensation. Cause the car is turning in, the steering actually reacts immediately. And it does that even quicker than the Megane.
You need to drive the R with your eyes and heart not with the head, seeking with your eyes for the apex, feeling it, placing the car where you want to have it and then the magic happens. It will steer where you want her to be. It will bite on the initial steering input. It does it all but it hides behind a fraction of a second of detachment between the input you intend in your mind and the actual reaction and feedback to your hands.
And the faster you go, the better she gets. To me, it seems this car comes to life at the very edge of itself. That relates to the engine, as you mentioned, the brakes, the steering, even the gear change. She feels so good while doing it all!
And yet even during an everydays drive she still has so much to offer. I'm in love, haha.

Thank you once again for the story!

cheers
 

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Re: Finally the RCZR had a nice run out on some proper roads

That reads quite impressive. Seems as if they did get the brakes right in the R.
I'm quite surprised by what you say about hydraulic steering support. Is that specific for the R?
I thought the regular RCZ only has electric support as most cars nowadays, because it increases fuel economy and overall simplicity of the steering system. I agree with your feelings about the steering sensation; basically you need to trust your eyes rather than the steering wheel response.
This probably is the main reason for some folks complaining the RCZ is not a proper drivers car, but in fact it holds for any car with EPAS, which by definition means that the feeling in the steering wheel is synthetic, i.e. produced by an electric motor controlled by a computer.
I would expect the R to use the same steering wheel so wonder what the benefit is of using partly hydraulic support. :eusa-think:
 

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Re: Finally the RCZR had a nice run out on some proper roads

I think you'll find all RCZs have hydraulic PAS.
 

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Re: Finally the RCZR had a nice run out on some proper roads

I found in service box that it does. The hydraulic pump is driven by an electric motor rather than by a pulley belt on the engine.
This is quite surprising to me. The steering feels quite different from my previous 307 XSI which was fully hydraulic.
Maybe the reason for that is in difference in wheel size and geometry rather than power steering.
 
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Great write up, am impressed at your MPG figures though... I only manage 33mpg on my commute to work in my 200GT :dance: Agreed with the above comments on the brakes, as they are 'performance' items they just need some heat in them - my Jaaag is similar now that I've fitted nitrac discs and Ferrodo DS2500 (fast road/track) pads, not that inspiring cold but once warmed up.... :wtf: (put it this way you need to check your mirrors before using in anger!)
 
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