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Alcon disc alternative
- Thread starter Marmite
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I would be interested to know what Peugeot and Alcon's take on this would be. There may well have been commercial agreements between them that prevented other brake or after market motor factor companies from re-manufacturing them. Intellectual property rights.
Members are just trying to source more reasonably priced alternatives. Why pay a ridiculous price to one company when someone can make them for say a third less .... ? Many companies offer or allow alternatives, I can't see why this would be any different.
Can't see it being a problem myself a disc of metal is a disc of metal, look at the disc options from Mtec for current cars. It's the same as the R's plugs used to be only supplied by Dealer's I seem to remember now from ECP's etc. All good makes the R even more of a performance bargain.
Godspeed charge £650 for 308GTi discs. It's £700 for Alcon discs from Fish Brothers.
It's a £50 saving. Obviously the theory is that when you replace the discs you only have to buy the disc and not the bell. There should be a saving if you're changing discs second time around.
Genuine discs last around 50,000. I'm not sure about the quality of Godspeed's discs. There isn't many people going to be buying two sets of discs during their R ownership to make it worthwhile. The other issue is Godspeed's discs might not be as good quality.
The other issue is when the car is sold on the next owner won't know where to get the discs to suit the bells. Also there is nothing to say that the source of the replacement discs will carry on 5 years down the line.
It'll also have to be a modification named on the insurance.
A bit of metal isn't just a bit of metal. There is so many factors why one disc is better than the next. That is why some discs last longer, don't crack or warp. It's all down to the process of manufacture and quality.
As above Godspeed charge £650 for the 308GTi discs and bells. They look cheap compared to the Tarox discs and bells.
It won't have to be a modification named on insurance for 3rd party discs...get real. Cracked discs warped discs....have mtec on my Coupe and gtv...no problems. You keep paying top dollar! This is getting absurd...I have a brand new set of Alcon discs in boxes from Fish Bros if cheaper elsewhere I would of purchased them
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They aren't OEM spec. You're putting a two piece disc on your car that will be picked up as a modification.
I don't know how often these topics come up on car forums where people think making changes like this doesn't affect their insurance. It does. Keep yourself right and tell the insurance company.
There is nothing absurd with buying quality products.
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How about you contact your insurer to ask because pretty much all motor insurance policies have implied terms? If you don't inform them of a material fact, and a claim was to arise and the issue of braking arose for what ever reason and it was discovered that the braking system or any part of it on your vehicle was defective, did not meet OE specifications and it would have been reasonable for you to have disclosed it to your insurers, but didn't, then you are in the brown stuff as they COULD void your policy. You wouldn't get a refund of any premium, but this would be the least of your problem as a lot more seriously, you could be personally liable to any one claiming against you for loss. You could even be prosecuted for insurance fraud as you were technically driving without insurance from the moment you fitted these brakes and started using your car on the roads. Would you consider this absurd? As I say the way to resolve this is to contact your insurer. If they consider it absurd and to get real, then you are in the clear as you have informed them of the material change and should they continue to provide you cover on the same terms you are still legally insured. Brakes are critical safety components. Yes I realise there are upgrades and modifications you can fit but you have to make pretty sure that they are suitable for your vehicle. I think the whole point here is not actually the poor performance of the Alcon braking system on the R, it is owners' objecting to the high price of replacing components when they wear out. Well my view is you suck it up. It's part of ownership of the vehicle. You factor in the cost for when replacement is needed. If you inhabit the word of fast cars, performance cars, or indeed run any car, you have to have the funds to properly maintain it and with the R it is not as if you don't know. If you do your research properly before you buy the car then the cost of replacement discs can be planned for.
So from what I have read here fitting an untested after market option which might work out at £50-100 cheaper is just not worth it in my opinion. Buy the OE ones from Peugeot or where ever you can get them cheaper, but buy the OE ones. The Alcon brakes on my R are still fantastic and the discs about 1/4- 1/3 worn I'd say so still lots and lots of life left in them. If I still have the car when they need changing I just get new from Peugeot. I still have a Peugeot warranty which might cover them depending on the reason for failure - wear and tear no, but failure for any other reason I suppose they could potentially be replaced free of charge under warranty, but I would also guess you would have needed to have kept the servicing up to date with a PSA dealer. I heard of another R owner who had his R's brakes replaced under warranty. I intend to keep the Peugeot warranty running on mine and the service book stamped up to date.
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What is or are 'bells'?
Here is the Peugeot 308 GTi discs Godspeed make.
308 GTI Front 2 Piece Discs and Bells - Godspeed
308 GTI Front Discs and Bells
They are two piece. The silver brake disc can be removed from the black bell. Once the brake discs are worn you replace the disc and use the bell again.
In the future you need to buy the same brand of discs so they fit the bell. If the supply of discs stop then the bell is no use.
Godspeed don't advertise the disc on their own for the 308 GTi.
Marmite
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In reply to above comments , as for god speed brakes they have been making breaks for racing for years .
An for the comment about insurance many moons ago I had a mini to which I dropped a 12.75 into it along with a Weber dcoe on a ally inlet , and with a lcb stainless manifold , then i dropped a 649 full rally cam along with cooper s discs an a escort servo , it had 10 “ Mini lites an negative camber an a lightened fly wheel an would go of the clock all the way round to the e on the on the fuel gauge an cost me a extra 10 quid I kid you not , all u have to do is get a engiears report an tell them what u have done .
As for the two piece discs if you was to look alcons website there bells are the same looking as god speed , there only designed like they are because Peogout wanted that and to also have the right’s to sole supply to rcz r an 308 gti discs .
you pays your money an makes your choice
An for the comment about insurance many moons ago I had a mini to which I dropped a 12.75 into it along with a Weber dcoe on a ally inlet , and with a lcb stainless manifold , then i dropped a 649 full rally cam along with cooper s discs an a escort servo , it had 10 “ Mini lites an negative camber an a lightened fly wheel an would go of the clock all the way round to the e on the on the fuel gauge an cost me a extra 10 quid I kid you not , all u have to do is get a engiears report an tell them what u have done .
As for the two piece discs if you was to look alcons website there bells are the same looking as god speed , there only designed like they are because Peogout wanted that and to also have the right’s to sole supply to rcz r an 308 gti discs .
you pays your money an makes your choice
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Marmite
Active Member
Really ! Maybe the to close to the price for originals oh well I tried
Still listed on Pug1off shop so might be worth contacting them to see if they still have some in stock. Peugeot RCZ-R Godspeed 2 Piece Front Discs & Bells