What would I need....

[Anonymous]

Out of interest (I'm still stuck with my RCZ, long story), what components would I need to change/add under the bonnet to give my 200 the power of the RCZ R? I'm guessing the engine is the same, and it's the parts around it that give it the extra horsepower?

Just interested in what they've done to give the extra 70 horses. I know I can do a remap and can add chips etc....that's not the point of this thread though.

Cheers!

 

[Abzynthe]

You wouldnt want a remap AND a chip

You could port and polish the head, bigger injectors, larger intercooler, sports cat, race air intake, a bigger bore exhaust. A remap would be a must as the ecu will limit the power no matter what you do to it.

 

[Anonymous]

The engine is not the same nor are a lot of the other bits. I did read about what they had done but it was double dutch to me. However, my thinking is that you don't even try. If you want a "R" get one that was designed for that power output

 

[Abzynthe]

The engine is not the same nor are a lot of the other bits. I did read about what they had done but it was double dutch to me. However, my thinking is that you don't even try. If you want a "R" get one that was designed for that power output

Thats no fun though. Especially for my generation, theres nothing better than buying a "blank canvas" and improving it in our own personal way.
Not so much for the RCZ yet, but for older cars, its actually cheaper to buy a lower specced car and tuning it to exceed the higher performance version. This Will happen to the RCZ in years to come.

 

[Anonymous]

I would be questioning the wisdom of putting a greater strain on OEM parts given the problems that you've already had unless you are undertaking significant across the board upgrades/modifications. Personally I'd be upgrading a lot of other parts other than merely adding more power!!!

 

[Anonymous]

mmmmm I'm not really in favour of 'souping' up a car that isn't built to do that. Talking from experience, we (the 'royal we' ...I mean HIM indoors) went down this route with our Foc-arse RS.

As standard it was willing and plenty fun. But the standard bhp of circa 300 wasn't enough apparently. So we built it up to nearer 470 in the end and it was an accident waiting to happen. One thing lead to another in terms of ugrading .... the clutch, TWICE, and brakes several times. The engine just wasn't built to have that power running through it. Spent over £6.5K in extras in the end, that inevitably we lost......

It was very stressful to drive, took all we had to keep it out of a ditch. I hated being passenger even though I trust Steve implicitely as a driver.

Now with the C63 sitting at a measly 450ish as standard it's a whole different ball game. Don't think Steve's made me squeel once even with it being RWD.


Anyhoo the moral of my story....

IF YOU WANT THE POWER OF AN RCZ-R, BUY AN RCZ-R...............

 

[Abzynthe]

This is just going to turn into another row isnt it. The OP asked a question, but it doesnt seem anyone is actually answering it.

 

[Anonymous]

Agreed, nobody is really answering it. I never said I actually wanted to do it. It was a hypothetical question, seeing as the R has a 1.6 THP engine, I was curious as to what they've done to add the power. Maybe if it wasn't a complete overhaul, it might then be a possibility to add a few parts to my car.

 

[Abzynthe]

I cant find anything on the engine except the vagueness Peugeot have released in the media :?

It’s essentially a heavily tuned version of the turbocharged 1.6-litre THP engine from the regular RCZ 200, and also familiar from the outgoing Mini Cooper S. Thanks to lightweight, F1-grade aluminium pistons (cooled by trick oil jets), revised bearings, a heat-treated block for withstanding massive pressure and a twin-scroll turbocharger, 270bhp makes this the most powerful road-going 1.6 ever. It’s not a boosty lag-monster either: the full 243lb ft of torque is under your right foot from 1900rpm right up to 5500rpm. Plenty to shift the RCZ R’s 1355kg mass, in other words.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Sea ... AR-review/

 

[Anonymous]

Boasting a huge 270bhp output from just 1.6 litres, plus a raft of chassis and bodywork revisions.
It’s essentially a heavily tuned version of the turbocharged 1.6-litre THP engine from the regular RCZ 200, and also familiar from the outgoing Mini Cooper S. Thanks to lightweight, F1-grade aluminium pistons (cooled by trick oil jets), revised bearings, a heat-treated block for withstanding massive pressure and a twin-scroll turbocharger, 270bhp makes this the most powerful road-going 1.6 ever. It’s not a boosty lag-monster either: the full 243lb ft of torque is under your right foot from 1900rpm right up to 5500rpm. Plenty to shift the RCZ R’s 1355kg mass, in other words.

Peugeot claims the front-wheel drive RCZ R hits 62mph in 5.9sec, and tops out at a limited 155mph. And the other benefit of using a downsized turbo powerplant? The combined economy stands at a remarkable 44.8mpg, and CO2 emissions just 145g/km. It’s a healthy set of specs, and so it should be: the RCZ R has a £31,995 price tag to justify.

Can the chassis cope with all of that brawn?
Peugeot Sport has taken a completely new route with the RCZ’s chassis, which has undergone significant work to make the drive more engaging. The bespoke dampers are built in-house, harking back to the glory days of Peugeot’s finest cars. There have been changes to camber and toe-in angle, and the track is wider too. This trio of tweaks serve to vastly improve grip, and along with aerodynamic upgrades such as the fixed rear spoiler (in place of the hidden electric one on the regular RCZ) they really help to stabilise the car through faster corners.

That’s not to say it’s boring, though. Far from it. Thanks to tweaks to the anti-roll bars, the R’s front end bites reassuringly on turn-in, yet it stays lively at the rear allowing for a dollop of right-foot adjustability in corners and 205 GTi-esque lift-off oversteer. It’s a lot of fun.

Exiting a corner quickly is rewarding too. The Torsen diff works well with the subtle stability control system to yank you up the road when that turbo comes online. There’s no torque-vectoring nannying here. “Why would you use the brakes to go fast?” asked a Peugeot Sport engineer when quizzed. We think he’s got a point…

Handling is further boosted thanks to a reduction in un-sprung weight. Those unique 19-inch wheels are not only 50mm wider but also save significant kilos on each corner. Behind these lie stronger brakes, gripped by four-piston calipers.

 

[Abzynthe]

All that sounds do-able.

 

[Anonymous]

All that sounds do-able.

Of course, but it will be expensive and time consuming.

The cheapest way to up your RCZ to the specs of an RCZ R is to sell your RCZ and use the money as base to buy an RCZ R.

 

[Anonymous]

All that sounds do-able.

The obvious starting point is the enlarged twin-scroll turbocharger. But in order to cope with that, everything else under the bonnet has to be stronger. So the block is heat-treated, and there are special Mahle Motorsport pistons forged from Formula One-grade aluminium, harder con rods and low friction bearings.
The whole car is 10mm lower, the track wider, the dampers retuned. But while the front springs are 14% stiffer, the rear spring rate has been increased by a massive 44%. The rear anti-roll bar is also thicker, whereas the front anti-roll bar has actually been reduced.

Not too sure Abz :eusa-think:

 

[Anonymous]

I cant find anything on the engine except the vagueness Peugeot have released in the media :?

It’s essentially a heavily tuned version of the turbocharged 1.6-litre THP engine from the regular RCZ 200, and also familiar from the outgoing Mini Cooper S. Thanks to lightweight, F1-grade aluminium pistons (cooled by trick oil jets), revised bearings, a heat-treated block for withstanding massive pressure and a twin-scroll turbocharger, 270bhp makes this the most powerful road-going 1.6 ever. It’s not a boosty lag-monster either: the full 243lb ft of torque is under your right foot from 1900rpm right up to 5500rpm. Plenty to shift the RCZ R’s 1355kg mass, in other words.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Sea ... AR-review/

Uprated Pistons, block, turbo, oil cooler as per above article and then i would guess uprated HPFP, injectors, cams (think i read somewhere the used the same head as the 200), intake, intercooler, exhaust, clutch, gearbox and limited slip diff. Would probably be cheaper to buy a R than to build a R.

 

[Abzynthe]

As I said before, that is all do-able. At the moment the RCZ R is the cheaper option, but it wont be in a few years. People have done alot more than that to other cars, and to me, they all sound like the standard things tuners upgrade anyway.

 

[Anonymous]

As I said before, that is all do-able. At the moment the RCZ R is the cheaper option, but it wont be in a few years. People have done alot more than that to other cars, and to me, they all sound like the standard things tuners upgrade anyway.

The problem is not getting those items and installing then, the problem is getting them all to work together in an efficient and reliable manner.

But you are 100% right, it is doable.

 

[Anonymous]

Check this: http://www.etuners.gr/en/index.php?s=13&t=423

 

[Abzynthe]

As I said before, that is all do-able. At the moment the RCZ R is the cheaper option, but it wont be in a few years. People have done alot more than that to other cars, and to me, they all sound like the standard things tuners upgrade anyway.

The problem is not getting those items and installing then, the problem is getting them all to work together in an efficient and reliable manner.

But you are 100% right, it is doable.

That is true. Most people wouldnt be able to do it in their garage at the weekends. Everyone I know that has done things like this have spent a lot of time in various tuning garages around the country to make sure it all works correctly. If I start to do it with my car, there are a few places I can go. And at least I have the HDI RCZ cup to base it on
Ill have to show my friend that post max, he has a 207 running 230bhp at the moment.

 

[Tomas_90]

Well the others have already posted the new engine specs of the R so you know that but i don't think it's impossible to get the power of the R without ripping the entire engine to bits. If you'll imagine this:

- Slightly bigger turbo
- Bigger intercooler
- Bigger injectors
- Bigger downpipe + racecat + exhaust
- Cold air intake
- Remap

That would probably land you pretty close to the R performance (or even more) BUT, there's no guarantee the engine will hold up with all of this. Eventually it will most likely give up one way or another but actually you could have it run for quite some time i believe.

You would have to treat it with the utmost respect at all times running tho.