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Forgive me.... For I have sinned.... !

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After all my years of expounding to you all the benefits of snow foaming, wash mitt and the two bucket method I've done something I thought I would never do............................ I washed my car using a sponge [shock! horror!] and hardly any water ! :wtf:

Due to the impending hose pipe ban due to the tropical summer we are all experiencing.......hehe :) I needed something that would enable me to continue to wash my car and keep it looking shiny and gorgeous ;)

I researched a lot of rinse less products (as opposed to waterless). I firmly believe you need water to wash a car otherwise you are asking for trouble. Detailing World has a lot of information about this and many companies are jumping on the Eco side of things such as Dodo Juice, Chemical Guys, Optimum, etc, etc. The one product everyone kept mentioning was ONR (Optimum No Rinse). After watching many videos and reading some great threads on DW about the best ways to use it, I decided to take the plunge and buy some. My hand was shaking as it hovered over the "add to basket" button and to go with it a Dodo Juice Supernatural sponge. My buying of sponges didn't stop there. I wanted to be sure I got the softest sponge possible so bought a grout sponge (highly recommended on DW for using with ONR) as well as some other decorating sponges - 5 in total ! From zero to 7 in one day :wtf: Bought a new pressure sprayer to complete my kit.

2 days later, my parcel arrived. The Dodo sponge was extremely soft. The softest of the 7 ! Come the weekend, I took a deep breath, sucked in my cheeks (yes both ends :grin: ) and got my kit together.

- Sponge
- 1 Bucket (filled with 5L of water and 2 capfuls of ONR)
- 1.5L pressure sprayer (with 3 capfuls of ONR and topped with water)
- 2 drying towels
- 2 microfibre cloths
- Dodo Juice Red Mist Tropical (quick detailer)



Using the pressure sprayer to wet a panel and then STOP! Let the mixture DWELL - this is very important so that it removes the dirt off the car. Then wetting your sponge but not overly soaked, wipe across the Pre wetted panel in a truncated S like movement. No pressure applied or rubbing - just in straight lines.

Put the sponge back in the bucket.

Take a drying towel, fold it into 4 - gives you more clean sides to dry with AND less chance of scratching the paint, spray the towel with the mixture in the pressure sprayer (never put a dry towel straight onto your paint - spray it with a quick detailer or similar - this will stop marring), gently wipe/dab your towel on the panel just washed avoiding the unwashed areas of the car. Job done. Follow the same process for the next panel until you have done the whole car.

I started with the roof, then the windows, then onto the front passenger wing working anti clockwise around the car.

Once that was done, I then went around the car applying Dodo Red Mist Tropical, just to add that extra bling as it had been a few weeks since I had applied a fresh layer of wax.

Standing back and looking at the paintwork and yes I have seen it in bright sunlight, there are no signs of marring or swirls. The paintwork looks very shiny.

The thing that amazed me was the colour of the water in the bucket. I expected it to be really dirty. It wasn't. It was still crystal clear. The top layer of the sponge had taken on a black colour but that's what ONR is intended to do. The ONR encapsulates the dirt particles away from paint so your sponge is taking up the dirt. Yet when the sponge is placed back in the bucket the dirt falls to the bottom but the water remains clean.

I still can't believe I actually used this sort of a product but I am a convert :). (Did I just say that :grin: )

If you use your common sense and follow the instructions then it is quite safe. It took me 30 minutes to clean the car. It would normally take me 2.5 - 3 hours ! I wouldn't use this every week but if you need to give your car a quick clean, or you are away from home or at motor shows, then it's an ideal way of doing it.


...... My name is Kerry and I'm a recovering Detailer ;)
 
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The paint on my RCZ is so soft, and gets easily scratched. I even get small scratches in the paint even though I pour a bucket of water and spray some detailer onto the cloth to remove some bird dirt, the scratches are visible in sunlight and with a bright led light, like the one we have in a mobile.
Surely I won’t be using this technique knowing the time I took to remove most of the swirls on the paint of my RCZ.
I use a dual action buffer, some micro fiber pads and a fine cutting compound, I also have a rotary buffer but I do not see the need of using it as the dual action corrects quite well and it is safe to use.
 

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Those were my thoughts, before I used it. If you are careful how you do it, you shouldn't put any more swirls on your car than you would washing it using the 2 bucket method. There have been a number of people who have washed their cars for a whole year using just ONR to see what difference it made to the state of their paint. No more so than normal, was the result.

You are going to get swirls over time. How bad they get depends on your wash technique. When you want to correct them, do so with a DA.

Peugeot paint is quite soft so will mark easily but like all things, it's down to the care you take.


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RCZ1 what do you prefer soft or hard paint? and what are the advantages and dis of both? some manufacturers seem to prefer using hard paint, i think BMW, VW, Audi etc. but heard that this chips easily. What do you think?
 
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gatt767 said:
RCZ1 what do you prefer soft or hard paint? and what are the advantages and dis of both? some manufacturers seem to prefer using hard paint, i think BMW, VW, Audi etc. but heard that this chips easily. What do you think?

soft paint for polishing just speeds it up!
 

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Yeah much easier and quicker to polish soft paint than hard paint.

Daniels right. I love Gtechniq products mainly because of their long lasting durability but when it comes to red paint, it has to be wax. Sealants give it a too glassy finish for my liking. I prefer deep, glossy, liquid red paint :)

In the winter months I will put a sealant on it. Probably Gtechniq C2v3 as sealants do keep a car cleaner for longer and in winter, this is paramount. I would like to put Gtechniq EXO on but that will last too long and I'll want to start waxing again in the Spring (the car, not me ;) )


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RCZ1, thanks again (just after I bought all my kit to follow your exceptional guide haha!) i'm about 18 months behind the trend so may try this when I get my Cayman lol!

Slightly off topic, and I apologise if I have missed this in another thread. Around where I live there have been lots of road re-surfacings, and I noticed last time I washed my car (3 weeks ago) that there were small black specks of what looked a bit like tar, I had to apply a fair amount of pressure to get them off, but noticed the paintwork swirling a bit after (undestandably) any tips on how to get them removed? :eusa-think:

Should say if anyone other than RCZ1 knows then please don't hold back haha!
 
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I think the product that gets mentioned for tar romoval is Tardis. I haven't used it myself as I get my Z profesionally detailled. If you look in the Detailing Section of the forum there is a Sticky written by RCZ1 that talks about it's use.
 

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Mr Newton, I'll want a drive in that Caymen :grin: and sorry for spending all your money :). It still doesn't beat the good ole 2 bucket method !

You need to get yourself some Autosmart Tardis. This removes tar with ease and no need for all that vigorous rubbing. Tardis will remove any wax you have on your car so you can just spot treat the areas where the tar is and then reapply your wax in that area.

Where you can see some swirls give a polish with some Gtechniq P1 to remove or a filling polish like Autoglym SRP for example.

Good luck :thumbup:



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RCZ1 said:
Mr Newton, I'll want a drive in that Caymen :grin: and sorry for spending all your money :). It still doesn't beat the good ole 2 bucket method !

You need to get yourself some Autosmart Tardis. This removes tar with ease and no need for all that vigorous rubbing. Tardis will remove any wax you have on your car so you can just spot treat the areas where the tar is and then reapply your wax in that area.

Where you can see some swirls give a polish with some Gtechniq P1 to remove or a filling polish like Autoglym SRP for example.

Good luck :thumbup:



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Consider it a done deal :-D

Will crack on with that then, hopefully I will get a decent wax with my waxybox order which should be coming through for the next 3 months at least!

P1 is much cheaper than I expected, I will get that ordered along with some G1 too for my car and my partners 207 haha!

Thanks for your help (again!!)
 
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autoglym do a very good tar remover I think the name is autoglym tar remover, u can also try it out
 
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gatt767 said:
autoglym do a very good tar remover I think the name is autoglym tar remover, u can also try it out

Used it all the time before Steve bought Tardis.....
 
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These " less water" wash's do intrigue me , and I've gone to buy some very often but just bottled out. There is a similar product call Mantis on sale in a store close to me that I've picked and put back down many times.

They have a video playing next to the stand showing how it's used and the "before & after" results, which do look impressive.

I'm just wondering can it only be used on lightly soiled paintwork :eusa-think:
 

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You have to be careful as there are "water less" and "rinse less" products. Water less does has it says and doesn't use any water whereas rinse less (which is what I used) uses water but you don't do any rinsing. I personally couldn't use it without any water. I think that is TOO risky!

If used with care, I feel that there is a place for them. It just feels a bit strange at first using a sponge and not a lot of water.

Lightly soiled cars ie summer is the ideal time to use it. People who have given me advice on this, tell me that you shouldn't use it if salt is on the car ie winter grit. However, if you snow foamed first to remove the worst of the dirt and salt then you would be able to use it in the usual way as I described in the opening post.

I never, ever thought that I would use something like this but having used it once, I was quite impressed with the ease of use. Take your time, follow the instructions and you won't go far wrong.


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the dust we have Malta is so abrasive. In no way will i use any of the products. lately i stopped using the power wash. I am leaving it when the car is very dirty. I prefare to rinse the car with a pipe and 2 buckets, one for the shampoo and the other to rinse and to clean the micro fibre sponge. Will not risk it :). Better safe then sorry and lots of foam !!!
 
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