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Brakes are wear and tear. I highlight them as they are unexpectedly really expensive. I do think Alcon should be forced to recall the brakes. They are not fit for purpose. You shouldn't have to rebuild or replace a caliper after a set of pads.

Hardly anyone of any brand is going to fit new brakes to a car prior to selling. Spending a lot of money on a car to sell is lost money. You won't recover the costs.

The highest priced Rs with very low mileage are on their original brakes. They've still got the issues to come.
Very low mileage examples with brakes with little wear still have brake discs and pistons corroded.

What do you think the £13,000 private sale car needs money spent on? FSH, clean MOT history and 8 months Peugeot approved warranty still running.

It looks a good example. Knowing what the book value of the car is they will still struggle to get £13,000 for it as a private sale.

How did it go when you tried to sell you car? Did you get much interest or serious offers?
I had 3 offers, and a deposit was placed on the car at 15.5k, (asking price) as you know I was selling as we were expecting our first grandchild, I decided in the end to keep as we decided to re-jig the stable so too speak, I want to drive it for another year in the summer then I may decide to change, I am not sure.

I had a lot of interest from buyers who were collectors but I didn't take further as I had already taken a deposit.
 

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Is replacing the front callipers a one off problem, do you have to check what type of callipers were fitted if done by Peugeot?
 
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there is no 'visible' corrosion

You can't see corrosion on the pistons until they are exposed. The mild steel corrodes from inside and the chrome plating breaks up.

They need replaced after the first set of pads.


It is a widespread problem with Alcon brakes.
 

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Is replacing the front callipers a one off problem, do you have to check what type of callipers were fitted if done by Peugeot?

The pistons are made of mild steel with a chrome coating. They corrode and the plating comes off. The pistons stick in the caliper.

The pistons really need changed after the first set of brake pads. If you push them back in they will start sticking and brake performance will be badly affected.

My car had the calipers replaced at 4 years old and just 34,000 miles.

The calipers Peugeot have been supplying have a different paint finish than the originals. They are the same otherwise. They'll will fit a mix of paint finishes if that's what is available.
 

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You can't see corrosion on the pistons until they are exposed. The mild steel corrodes from inside and the chrome plating breaks up.

They need replaced after the first set of pads.


It is a widespread problem with Alcon brakes.
Read this from an Australian 208GTi 270 forum:

"FWIW, I’ve not seen this issue raised by any Australian members...and especially by any that live in Australia’s hot, dry inland. [emoji6]

The problem is a product of humidity, and constant damp roads that are gritted and salted in winter months to mitigate icing. The alloys used in the Alcon brake pistons react corrosively to this; pistons jamming in turn leads to uneven rotor wear, hence you see the reports of people replacing calipers and rotors at very low mileage."

Since changing discs and calipers my car has not seen salt the pistons are fine and have been pushed out to look at them etc and show no corrosion damage or wear......obviously I keep tabs on this as I still have the Warranty from Peugeot so will want them replaced if they fail if that's after the Warranty I expires I will stick the SS pistons in them. It's a shame Alcon didnt do this from the off...but no real huge issue...nor are the discs imo...consumable parts which can be bought cheaper than other performance brakes on other similar cars...guess it's the Peugeot equals should be cheap then and last forever mentality..

Been digging apparently the Alcon calipers fitted to the R are PS branded Alcon Car98 calipers...fitted as we know to a fair few performance cars Porsche 718 various 911's think Jag' s Lexus etc...May help with cost of buying Alcon seal/piston kits....very highly rated brakes...except obviously until when reviewed on a Peugeot by some journalist's articles I've read oh and Jay Emm....lol.

I really don't get the continual brake disc/caliper hoo harr for the R they are consumable parts used in many marques/motorsport applications and when they wear out etc cost ££s to replace.
 
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Read this from an Australian 208GTi 270 forum:

"FWIW, I’ve not seen this issue raised by any Australian members...and especially by any that live in Australia’s hot, dry inland. [emoji6]

The problem is a product of humidity, and constant damp roads that are gritted and salted in winter months to mitigate icing. The alloys used in the Alcon brake pistons react corrosively to this; pistons jamming in turn leads to uneven rotor wear, hence you see the reports of people replacing calipers and rotors at very low mileage."

Since changing discs and calipers my car has not seen salt the pistons are fine and have been pushed out to look at them etc and show no corrosion damage or wear......obviously I keep tabs on this as I still have the Warranty from Peugeot so will want them replaced if they fail if that's after the Warranty I expires I will stick the SS pistons in them. It's a shame Alcon didnt do this from the off...but no real huge issue...nor are the discs imo...consumable parts which can be bought cheaper than other performance brakes on other similar cars...guess it's the Peugeot equals should be cheap then and last forever mentality..

Been digging apparently the Alcon calipers fitted to the R are PS branded Alcon Car98 calipers...fitted as we know to a fair few performance cars Porsche 718 various 911's think Jag' s Lexus etc...May help with cost of buying Alcon seal/piston kits....very highly rated brakes...except obviously until when reviewed on a Peugeot by some journalist's articles I've read oh and Jay Emm....lol.

I really don't get the continual brake disc/caliper hoo harr for the R they are consumable parts used in many marques/motorsport applications and when they wear out etc cost ££s to replace.

I think Australia only got a handful of R, but their climate will help. We won't here too many issues from them. I don't think there are many R owners on this forum combined.

The chrome coating appears to fail just though use. I think it breaks up through force leaving mild steel pistons exposed. The chrome coating delaminates from the mild steel pistons and starts to affect the function. The brakes continue to deteriorate until they will seize fully.

If the pistons are sticking they will trail on the disc and cause excessive wear.

It is a big issue. An issue that shouldn't be happening. Alcon should have a better design. Most garages, and especially main dealers, won't get involved with caliper rebuilds. They will be telling the customer they require new calipers. If they are too badly corroded you won't get the pistons out and need new calipers.

If you're faced with a bill for calipers, discs, pads and labour at garage prices the bill is extortionate. I think it is fair and required to point this out to potential buyers. They don't realise the issue or potential costs involved.

There's a few people on here that say the R is a high cost car to run. Outside the brakes I think most things are quite normal for pricing for a performance car.

I didn't watch the Jay review, but he could have been driving a car that the pistons were sticking. That's a very likely possibility if the brakes were not performing.
 

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A white 65 plate from Cazoo has been added at the lower end of Albuck's budget. It looks a far better purchase than the smokey engine car.

For 85,000 miles those seats looks very good. They look better than cars with <20,000 miles.

It has a near full service history with most at main dealers. The last service was late. The brakes look good and the Cazoo website only highlights a couple of stone chips on the bumper as imperfections.

The only thing to ever appear on the MOT history is a failed CV boot.

It does have terrible budget tyres fitted.
 

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A white 65 plate from Cazoo has been added at the lower end of Albuck's budget. It looks a far better purchase than the smokey engine car.

For 85,000 miles those seats looks very good. They look better than cars with <20,000 miles.

It has a near full service history with most at main dealers. The last service was late. The brakes look good and the Cazoo website only highlights a couple of stone chips on the bumper as imperfections.

The only thing to ever appear on the MOT history is a failed CV boot.

It does have terrible budget tyres fitted.
Thanks for that.

The smokey one had the callipers replaced in 2017, I've got copies of the history and receipts, which is why I was asking if it was a one off or a regular cost, would Renault have fitted the same callipers with the dodgy pistons or upgraded ones?
 
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The situation with the callipers has been done to death, to me there no different than any other performance brakes, they require lots of TLC like other brakes, I had APs on my last car, the pins that hold the pads in corrode into the callipers, if left un serviced you could destroy the calliper trying to remove them, hence I used to strip the callipers on a yearly basis and grease. I plan to do the same with the R and would do with any other car with performance brakes.

The above to me is basic PPM with a sports car.

The white one looks okay at Cazoo for the money.
 

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OK, so I have an R here in Melbourne. I'd like to check my calipers. What exactly am I looking for and where do I look?
Cheers. (y)

PS: I have a set of front discs in storage. I got them sent out to Oz from Fish Bros. The cost wasn't too bad as they were on sale. I'm happy to cop the expense in exchange for enjoying the car.
 

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OK, so I have an R here in Melbourne. I'd like to check my calipers. What exactly am I looking for and where do I look?
Cheers. (y)

PS: I have a set of front discs in storage. I got them sent out to Oz from Fish Bros. The cost wasn't too bad as they were on sale. I'm happy to cop the expense in exchange for enjoying the car.
This is a set of R brakes.

The pistons are chrome plated mild steel. The plating fails, the mild steel corrodes and the chrome plating comes away from the mild steel.

The pistons no longer move freely and eventually seize. Brake performance is affected when they begin to stick.
 

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The situation with the callipers has been done to death, to me there no different than any other performance brakes, they require lots of TLC like other brakes, I had APs on my last car, the pins that hold the pads in corrode into the callipers, if left un serviced you could destroy the calliper trying to remove them, hence I used to strip the callipers on a yearly basis and grease. I plan to do the same with the R and would do with any other car with performance brakes.

The above to me is basic PPM with a sports car.

The white one looks okay at Cazoo for the money.
Sounds like a sub-standard product to me, isn't there a mod, like stainless pistons, or alternative replacement callipers?

Yes the white one does look ok.
 

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This is a set of R brakes.

The pistons are chrome plated mild steel. The plating fails, the mild steel corrodes and the chrome plating comes away from the mild steel.

The pistons no longer move freely and eventually seize. Brake performance is affected when they begin to stick.
Is there no answer, do we just have to live with it?
 

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Is there no answer, do we just have to live with it?

The chrome plated pistons have to be replaced with stainless steel pistons. They are available through Pug1off. Godspeed also sell them, but a bit more expensive.

Once the calipers are rebuilt they should be fine. The stainless pistons and new seals cost around £250. If you can't do it yourself then you will need to add labour on to of that.
 

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The chrome plated pistons have to be replaced with stainless steel pistons. They are available through Pug1off. Godspeed also sell them, but a bit more expensive.

Once the calipers are rebuilt they should be fine. The stainless pistons and new seals cost around £250. If you can't do it yourself then you will need to add labour on to of that.
That's not so bad, cheers.
 

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Sounds like a sub-standard product to me, isn't there a mod, like stainless pistons, or alternative replacement callipers?

Yes the white one does look ok.

The Alcons are definitely not a sub standard product, I certainly wouldn’t consider a alternative product based on insurance alone as it would be classed as a mod.

If you compare the Alcon to others or alternative, how many are a monoblock calliper (one piece calliper) most are a 2 piece calliper bolted together, a monoblock calliper will always be my first choice due to it being more rigid under braking.

I still have the Peugeot extended warranty until September 25, so I probably wouldn’t swap the pistons out for stainless, what’s the point when I can get any problems sorted for nothing until then.

If I didn’t have the warranty I would just swap out the pistons, job done and you finish up with one of the best calliper and disc set up on any car, the performance of this set up has been confirmed many times as a good set up by people who have done track days.
 

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A white 65 plate from Cazoo has been added at the lower end of Albuck's budget. It looks a far better purchase than the smokey engine car.

For 85,000 miles those seats looks very good. They look better than cars with <20,000 miles.

It has a near full service history with most at main dealers. The last service was late. The brakes look good and the Cazoo website only highlights a couple of stone chips on the bumper as imperfections.

The only thing to ever appear on the MOT history is a failed CV boot.

It does have terrible budget tyres fitted.
I'm thinking about the white one, although it is my least favourite colour, it looks so plain compared to the black, and it seems you can't even look the car over prior to purchase!

What are the tyres you mention? I must agree that isn't a good sign!
 

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I'm thinking about the white one, although it is my least favourite colour, it looks so plain compared to the black, and it seems you can't even look the car over prior to purchase!

What are the tyres you mention? I must agree that isn't a good sign!
Looks like Matador. Which are probably perfectly fine, but I personally wouldn't put them on something like an RCZ R.
 

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I'm thinking about the white one, although it is my least favourite colour, it looks so plain compared to the black, and it seems you can't even look the car over prior to purchase!

What are the tyres you mention? I must agree that isn't a good sign!

If you go to the Cazoo advert you can see they are Matador tyres.



The wheels must have been refurbished. They don't have any marks. The tyre valves don't have caps and they look shiney and new. I suspect that Cazoo have fitted the budget tyres rather than the previous owner.

The brakes on that car look in good condition. The interior looks exceptionally good for the mileage. The seats and seat bolsters look very good. The pedals and steering wheel also look good. Cazoo record only a couple of stone chips on the bumper.

It is higher mileage, but it looks a good car. Better than a lot of them with much less miles.

Being a later car it should have a DAB radio which wasn't very common on earlier cars.
 
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Hi all,

Since being ULEZ'd I've been looking for a 200 but realised the R is within reach if I can get one at 10-12K, and have yet to find any reason not to buy one instead!
I came on the forum hoping to find the definitive buyer's guide, and expected to find a lot more problems with the R than I have on here, it having such high performance from a 1600 engine.
Any pointers will be welcome, especially if it leads me to a good R, preferably black!

Cheers

Al.
Hi Al.

I've got an absolutely mint black December 2015 GT Line I'm thinking of selling. 63k full mot with zero advisories. Bi xenons, twin exhausts all the nice stuff. Fantastic history including timing chain at 43k complete new top end owing to vvt shaft issue at 54k all at the main agent, over £4500. Not quite the "R" you're after but lots of fun and pretty rare. Interested..?

Regards, Jon.
Hi all,

Since being ULEZ'd I've been looking for a 200 but realised the R is within reach if I can get one at 10-12K, and have yet to find any reason not to buy one instead!
I came on the forum hoping to find the definitive buyer's guide, and expected to find a lot more problems with the R than I have on here, it having such high performance from a 1600 engine.
Any pointers will be welcome, especially if it leads me to a good R, preferably black!

Cheers

Al.
 

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