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General negativity towards the RCZ

Claret63

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Have to admit having been a member of many forums this has to be the most negative, many people will recognise I am a newbie, but I can't understand the amount of defeat from people with the RCZ, maybe I have yet to experience this, but surely it can't be that bad,if I think of anything German or Japanese that goes wrong it can equally be as frightening or as costly as an RCZ if that's the case.

So my question is, has anybody on here any praise or love for their RCZ (seems even one of the moderators hasn't and traded in for a Toyota)
and has anybody anything positive to say about their RCZ...

Maybe it's due to the cost of repairing these cars and finding someone who an actually fix them?
 

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As I mentioned in the other thread I lost interest in mine. I enjoyed it until it started going wrong, then one thing turned in to another. Prior to the rcz I'd owned a string of Peugeots and none of them had really cost me much money in repairs.
One thing that always irritated me was that when it was in for work the Peugeot main dealer never had a courtesy car. It took a week and a half for them to do the timing chain and other bits and I had to loan a car for work and reclaim the money from the warranty company.
 

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I absolutely love driving it. Of course people will not come to the forum to talk about stuff that works (as it is expected to work). They will come to complain that something broke. But still, issues with RCZ are the same as with any other car. Better care you take, better the performance and reliability. If the oil is not replaced regularly, then don't expect the timing chain not to rattle.

Of course a lot also depends on the person repairing it when something brakes. If they know what they are doing, they'll fix the broken part. If they do not, they'll replace this and that thus making your bill higher, but in the end they might just hide the real issue, not fix it.
 

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The THP despite being initially lauded and winning countless awards even up to 2014 has shown in most of it's variants as being problematic especially so the PSA/BMW designed earlier variants, was it the N13/14's? less so the later modified and enhanced PSA only variants....think much of the consensus revolves around the fact that such a small capacity engine was not really able to handle 'so much' power and torque in it's turbocharged applications. Main issues seem to be

Carbon build up on valves, excessive oil consumption, recurrent timing chain/tensioner failuire or issues (most as a result of poor lubrication and some due to lack of decent/frequent oil changes).

Ancillaries: The High Pressure Fuel Pump fitted/supplied unable to cope with the demands of the direct injection engine, Thermostat....maybe more?

It seems as time went on parts were updated and supplied to 'cope with flagged issues, seems suppliers to Peugeot weren't producing decent gear'; with the 'newer' timing chain kits and HPFPs proving to be more reliable......fair to say many early 156's have the most issues?

Many Owner's from reading posts on here, come onto the Forum solely to get information about issues with their cars, many people with the RCZ are not 'enthusiasts' they bought a good looking cheap used car for everyday use, no problem with that obviously but being more fragile the THP/RCZ demands constant empathy and maintenance, so actually checking the oil every couple of weeks/monthly and not relying on the car to tell you it is low by then damage may have been caused etc, staying on top of maintenance, frequent oil and filter changes i.e every 4K miles, listening for engine bay noises, not fitting cheap or the Barry Boy parts/mods that some seem to think will enhance their cars or unproven remaps causing heat and pre det issues etc.....many of the catastrophic failures seem to be Owner induced.

Posts on here suggest that common issues with the RCZ are not understood or dealt with quickly by some Owner's, some don't wish to spend money, don't service on a regular basis and bodge, some Owner's use their local spannerman, garage or even the Main Dealer with codes being misinterpreted and parts changed out failing to remedy the situation, this seems to happen to a lot with people posting on here. For instance time and time again we see people having new plugs, coils (even a new ECU) to fix HPFP issues..... The RCZ scored well on reliability in surveys, as did Peugeot.....many like Range Rover, Porsche, Mercedes etc do not.

Fact for me is having older 1990's-2000s cars and more modern cars.....the modern cars are shite, overloaded with pollution controls, crash and safety systems, electronics and sensors everywhere and basically built for a time span and multiple visits to Dealers and Specialists due to the need for expensive code reading and diagnostics with parts that are designed not to last....planned obsolescence?

As I have wittled on several times I bought my car private with the Peugeot Warranty, I would not have purchased without it and I still renew it due to possible issues and the expensive bespoke parts on the R.....within months of purchase the HPFP went, had to wait 3 weeks for MD to repair/source a new pump. Broken front spring from previous owner, both springs replaced and then 18 months or so ago a new clutch and DMF this in 4 years of ownership and around 4K miles with a replacement turbo shield after a Main Dealer melted his glove onto it when using it as a hand support dented it and the scraped off the residue with a metal implement! None of this cost me any money to sort save for servicing at the MD; now using a Specialist.

Much depends on individuals, the actual car purchased, the previous owner, maintenance and servicing, the mechanics that have worked on it etc, get them all good and the RCZ is as reliable and as anything else, possibly.
 
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It isn't a great engine to be honest, you just need to join groups where the engine is used (r56 mini, 208 gti, 308 gti, ds3, etc) just to see how common faults are on this engine.

Oil leaks are guaranteed as well as coolant leaks, suspension is poor and constantly breaks and knocks as seen in the group, flywheel and clutch like to groan like chewbacca for some reason. Build quality inside is horrible and everything rattles. I've been in old BMWs and Audis from 2001 that haven't got a single rattle or knock from the suspension as well as cars which haven't even had an oil change which run perfectly fine years later.

Even the R with its upgraded internals still use the standard valve cover and standard parts including coolant pipes so like I said before leaks are guaranteed down the line.

Faults can turn into never ending hunts, I don't know any other person who has had as much trouble personally as an Rcz owner with their car.

Then I've seen in the new 308 owners club how people are coming across the exact same faults with the new Thp variants compared to ours 13 years before which is very poor of Peugeot so I'll be staying far away from those as they'll eventually suffer from faults.

Maintenance is key on the car but that isn't going to stop the oil leaks and coolant leaks etc.
 

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I absolutely love driving it. Of course people will not come to the forum to talk about stuff that works (as it is expected to work). They will come to complain that something broke. But still, issues with RCZ are the same as with any other car. Better care you take, better the performance and reliability. If the oil is not replaced regularly, then don't expect the timing chain not to rattle.

Of course a lot also depends on the person repairing it when something brakes. If they know what they are doing, they'll fix the broken part. If they do not, they'll replace this and that thus making your bill higher, but in the end they might just hide the real issue, not fix it.
Not true, everyone I know with their German cars haven't had anywhere near if any trouble than me and my Rcz, sometimes when I drive parents BMW I am slightly jealous just because of how refined it is inside with no knocks or anything, my RCZ on other hand rattles and knocks like no tomorrow.
 

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Oil and coolant leaks are easily dealt with as you say through proper maintenance and replacement. Same with all vehicles if you neglect it, it will let you down.

Faults.....and witch hunts to find issues.........9/10 seem to be ignorance and indifference of both Owner's and Techs; the Motor Industry has become a band of part fitters, just fit a new part at the Customer's expense to solve the problem if it doesn't so what fit another one and bill them until we stumble on the issue and resolve it or we don't and just 'out' the car to someone else.

The RCZ doesn't suffer from knocks and bangs per se, the suspension fitted is good, works well and the build quality by Magna is excellent; the car is well put together.

German cars are amongst the most unreliable on UK roads.....check out the surveys.

Maybe your car is a shitter and was neglected and abused, there are unfortunately many from all marques around and for sale
 

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Well I would like to say what a great design the RCZ is the curves etc as for the drive it's down to the driver and the maintenance. I have two Hdi RCZs ones mine and the other one is the wife's. We both drive differently to each other and we just love how the car's drives and handles... Not had any issues with the engine's whatsoever serviced when the light comes up even if its not reached the milage required... It seems to me that most of the RCZ issues are related to the THP engine and most of the faults are common and know about.. Timing chain, tensioners, hpfp, coil packs,oil usage.. Etc. This engine is in many other cars as we all well know... So is the well known and proven robust Hdi engine... That is in other models...
It seems a lot of RCZ that are having problems may well have not been loved or when it comes to having expensive repair or maintenance get rid and pass it onto the trade and let them sort it...
But hay ho that's my opinion my be wrong but no one is perfect just like the RCZs and other car's out there... So till next time
Drive safe and stay lucky 🍀
Les n Co
 

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Not true, everyone I know with their German cars haven't had anywhere near if any trouble than me and my Rcz, sometimes when I drive parents BMW I am slightly jealous just because of how refined it is inside with no knocks or anything, my RCZ on other hand rattles and knocks like no tomorrow.
Do you know what "anecdotal evidence means"?

Which BMW? Because I also find driving in an X5 or a 5-series "refined" because it is a completely different car as opposed to driving in a Z4 which is a low car more comparable to RCZ. Z4 has the same rattly dashboard as a RCZ as you cannot have a silent car while having almost no room for shocks to do their jobs.

I'm not defending RCZ here, just that it's problems are statistically average compared to other brands. THP engine itself is shit if not maintained, but that is what you get when you take BMW as a co-partner in design. Getting a "1l oil per 1k KM for a THP engine is FINE" from an official BMW dealer is absolutely disgusting.

I'll just say I have a RCZ THP for 20k km now. When I bought it (the seller had all the service intervals, but obviously the car was not maintained, as it was drinking oil like an Irish fellow drinks beer on St. Patricks Day.

Then I found a guy that knows what he is doing, he fixed it - and now I'm 1 year error free.
 

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Not true, everyone I know with their German cars haven't had anywhere near if any trouble than me and my Rcz, sometimes when I drive parents BMW I am slightly jealous just because of how refined it is inside with no knocks or anything, my RCZ on other hand rattles and knocks like no tomorrow.

we had a new A class Mercedes bought on 5000 miles, we had no end of problems with it over the 3 years we had it, heated seats were replaced at 8000 miles, re calls galore, yes all done under warranty, but when the 3 years were up we decided to sell as the car started to behave very strangely, for example When my wife was driving in slow traffic the car would just cut out, no warning lights nothing, re start car everything fine for a couple of weeks, then again it would happen again randomly, we also had a high pitched sound from the fuel pump which the dealer refused to replace.

We sold the car in the end banked the money and replaced it with the HDI RCZ which we bought from a dealer, absolutely no problems, my wife absolutely loves the car, she had no love for the Merc like she does for the RCZ.

I would suggest you have an un loved car and that is why yours rattles, the result of poor maintenance for sure, we have 2 RCZs and no such problems with build quality or drive.

I wouldn’t buy German again period.
 

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we had a new A class Mercedes bought on 5000 miles, we had no end of problems with it over the 3 years we had it, heated seats were replaced at 8000 miles, re calls galore, yes all done under warranty, but when the 3 years were up we decided to sell as the car started to behave very strangely, for example When my wife was driving in slow traffic the car would just cut out, no warning lights nothing, re start car everything fine for a couple of weeks, then again it would happen again randomly, we also had a high pitched sound from the fuel pump which the dealer refused to replace.

We sold the car in the end banked the money and replaced it with the HDI RCZ which we bought from a dealer, absolutely no problems, my wife absolutely loves the car, she had no love for the Merc like she does for the RCZ.

I would suggest you have an un loved car and that is why yours rattles, the result of poor maintenance for sure, we have 2 RCZs and no such problems with build quality or drive.

I wouldn’t buy German again period.
I wouldn't say its unloved and has poor maintenance as you don't know me or my car and I've had it for over 4 years, has had over 6 oil changes in that time and many work done. But you just can't stop the bits failing on Thp....
 

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I wouldn't say its unloved and has poor maintenance as you don't know me or my car and I've had it for over 4 years, has had over 6 oil changes in that time and many work done. But you just can't stop the bits failing on Thp....
Apologies maybe I was harsh, but as said with the suspension, it's a sports car so maybe to you it feels crashy so to speak, I do like sports suspension so it's always a compromise with road comfort especially in the UK, as previously said it depends which model of any marquee you drive will determine comfort.

I have driven all the TT range and to be honest I found them no different suspension wise, because they too are a sports car.
Engine wise I only have experience with the R as a petrol, currently I have a very small leak somewhere as I can smell antifreeze when the engine is hot, this will be done under warranty in a few weeks, I suspect it's around the thermostat housing like everyone else.

I've had a lot of cars with this kind of problem, coolant leaks seem to be a thing, but I've always expected those kind of things, one of those things with cars, you just have to accept.

I really am sorry you have had a lot of problems.
 

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The forum isn't very active and most members that sign up only do so because they are having problems.

I've had various BMWs over the years. There is far more support on forums and garages specializing in them. It is easier to get support, advice and help.

I enjoyed my BMW E92 335i with the N54 engine, but I wouldn't dare run one without a warranty. Within the manufacturers' warranty both turbos needed replaced due to faulty waste gates. This is a very common problem. It was covered by warranty, but the bill was £3500.

The car also needed to be stripped down as the spot welds on the bulkhead had cracked. The car was creaking and clicking when flexing. The water pump failed and left me stranded.

My M235i was pretty much error free for the 3 years I had it from new. The rear light lenses cracked and needed to be replaced.

My brand new Mercedes A45 AMG was delivered with a distorted roofline. The dealer and Mercedes were impossible to deal with. Constant lies.

My local BMW dealer was hopeless. They damaged both my cars due to a lack of care.

The local Peugeot dealer(now closed) was even worse. I spoke to a few of the mechanics and they were complete idiots. I took the R in and you would have thought they were being asked to work on a NASA space shuttle.
 
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The forum isn't very active and most members that sign up only do so because they are having problems.

I've had various BMWs over the years. There is far more support on forums and garages specializing in them. It is easier to get support, advice and help.

I enjoyed my BMW E92 335i with the N54 engine, but I wouldn't dare run one without a warranty. Within the manufacturers' warranty both turbos needed replaced due to faulty waste gates. This is a very common problem. It was covered by warranty, but the bill was £3500.

The car also needed to be stripped down as the spot welds on the bulkhead had cracked. The car was creaking and clicking when flexing. The water pump failed and left me stranded.

My M235i was pretty much error free for the 3 years I had it from new. The rear light lenses cracked and needed to be replaced.

My brand new Mercedes A45 AMG was delivered with a distorted roofline. The dealer and Mercedes were impossible to deal with. Constant lies.

My local BMW dealer was hopeless. They damaged both my cars due to a lack of care.

The local Peugeot dealer(now closed) was even worse. I spoke to a few of the mechanics and they were complete idiots. I took the R in and you would have thought they were being asked to work on a NASA space shuttle.

Typical story with dealerships, my car came with a full dealership history ( Robin and Day) so for now will run with it due to my extended warranty, the issues I have currently will be my first visit to them as a newbie, moving forward I won't be using them once I am unable to renew the extended warranty.

The R is special period, I have had lots of more powerful cars over 35 years of driving, ( sold a 500bhp Monaro recently 15 years owner) driven lots of beamers but could never get on with the interiors, strange I know, had a few Audi,s which were okay but just to mainstream.

The R is simply so stupidy fantastic, I have finally found my niche for a weekend car thank you PSA.
 

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My RCZ is a car that I like, it is a car with personality, with beautiful and distinctive shapes, not like current new cars, apart from being ugly, they all look alike.

I am willing to keep it for a few years in good and original condition, even if it costs some money, because that way in the future it will not lose value, or maybe even gain it.

I also consider it comfortable, it tires me little on long trips and as sporty as it is, I enjoyed on curvy roads
 

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I’ve had mine for almost 10 years now. It’s had faults, like any other car I’ve had. In the 10 years I’ve had to replace the coil packs, plugs, HPFP, Clutch assembly including DMFW, one steering bush, and a new battery.
In all that time, it’s probably been one of the best cars to drive I’ve ever had.

It’s difficult to compare as you would have to do like for like. My other car is a new Range Rover, which is a completely different beast. Although it’s slightly quicker than the Z it feels so much slower it’s quiet, steering incredibly light & you don’t notice the potholes.

The Z however is just Fun, definitely capital F. I love driving the Z almost as much as I like looking at it. The design is unique & still turns heads so many years on.

I have no plans to get rid of the Z, in fact it‘s likely to still be on the drive when the RR has gone.

As has been pointed out above. Most people join forums to complain, or get advice about faults. Hardly any join to say what a great uneventful ownership they’ve had.

Try having a look at a Range Rover forum & you‘ll think the RCZ is trouble free.
 

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Not true, everyone I know with their German cars haven't had anywhere near if any trouble than me and my Rcz, sometimes when I drive parents BMW I am slightly jealous just because of how refined it is inside with no knocks or anything, my RCZ on other hand rattles and knocks like no tomorrow.
My 2010 launch edition doesn’t rattle and knock at all and it’s almost 13 years old as for reliability it had a timing kit at 17k and I’ve been running a stage one remap for around 7 years now with no problems at all it doesn’t use oil it doesn’t leak either oil or coolant 🤗
 

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Have to admit having been a member of many forums this has to be the most negative, many people will recognise I am a
Have to admit having been a member of many forums this has to be the most negative, many people will recognise I am a newbie, but I can't understand the amount of defeat from people with the RCZ, maybe I have yet to experience this, but surely it can't be that bad,if I think of anything German or Japanese that goes wrong it can equally be as frightening or as costly as an RCZ if that's the case.

So my question is, has anybody on here any praise or love for their RCZ (seems even one of the moderators hasn't and traded in for a Toyota)
and has anybody anything positive to say about their RCZ...

Maybe it's due to the cost of repairing these cars and finding someone who an actually fix them?
What does 'negatively' mean?
 
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